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What should the next step for the US in Afghanistan?

More combat boots on the ground
More military advisors for training only
Use military contractors like Blackwater rather than US troops
More fighter airplanes and weapons for Afghan Military
Full withdrawal of troops
Another strategy. Please share.

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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (8/20/2017 4:57:09 PM)
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The President has met with advisors for the purpose of making decisions about next steps in Afghanistan. He will speak to the nation and military Monday night at 9PM ET.

After Trump met with his national security aides on Friday to review an array of options for Afghan strategy, the White House said no decision had been made on whether he would commit more troops to America's longest war. However, Trump tweeted on Saturday: "many decisions made, including on Afghanistan".

U.S. officials have told Reuters that the president was expected to be briefed on options ranging from a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops in Afghanistan to a modest increase.

What do you think is the next best step for Afghanistan, a war that we have been in for almost 17 years at great loss of life and massive expenditures.

  • Pulling out is one option, but with the instability in the entire middle east, would this be a wise move?
  • More boots on the ground hasn't had much success.
  • Blackwater and like companies have had some serious issues
  • Training of troops?
  • More jets and weapons?

What do you think should happen with Afghanistan?

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2. Michael O'Neill
     (8/20/2017 5:09:18 PM)
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Ol' Bone Spur will do whatever best protects his personal investments.

3. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 5:18:28 PM)
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If the honest Afghanis haven't already figured out how to fight for their "freedom" by now (i.e. after all the years of fighting the Ruskies, the Taliban, Al Queda, the US, and all the hundred or so other dynasties over the years) then it won't make any difference if we stay or leave ... so

It's time to GTFO! and stay out! and leave the place to those who want it.

4. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 5:39:42 PM)
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Under Clinton, Bush and Obama, Afghanistan has grown from being a minor player in supplying opiates - both legal and illegal - to the United States - to being the largest in the world by a factor of 5.

During that time Opiate abuse by the American people has increased a like amount. To begin, Pharmaceutical Corporations began producing, Healthcare facilities began subscribing, and Insurance Companies began covering wave after wave of these addicting narcotics.

As millions became addicted, the legal channels were closed to the victims and they simply switched to the illegal supplies pouring over our wide open Southern Border.

There are no numbers, but many hundreds of billion in highly profitable opiates are devastating cities, towns and lives in America today. The carnage began after the Soviet's were driven out of the region by American supported Al Qaeda forces. They were curtailed for awhile by the Taliban who banned them... but after 9/11 the US moved in and actually used coalition forces to protect the fields from the Taliban.

Do we see patterns here?

Try suggesting we burn down the Poppy fields and you will find the media suddenly attacking it as a Nazi like conquest by Donald Trump... hence what would otherwise be seen as a completely inappropriate and misguided photo selected for the opening post in this topic makes perfectly good sense.

5. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 5:51:42 PM)
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I share your feelings Tams, but there needs to be a long term plan to whatever we do in Afghanistan because it is not just us and them. It’s them, us and NATO. We need to work with the Afghanistan government and our NATO allies to make a joint plan.
Personally, I would have a similar force configuration to what we have been using in Syria and Iraq to fight ISIS: heavy with Special Operations and Air assets, and trainers.

6. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 6:09:00 PM)
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Robert, you are a garden of misinformation. “…only about 4 percent of heroin in the US comes from Afghanistan, per 2013 data reported by The Week. Most of America’s cocaine comes from Bolivia, Columbia, and Peru. Afghanistan drug production is an area we could work with Iran because they have a huge drug problem fueled by drugs from Afghanistan.
In any case, what is your proposed solution? What is your long term strategy for the US to follow in Afghanistan?

7. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 6:16:05 PM)
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We've HAD the Spec Ops forces there for years and that includes all the NATO forces too.

Continuing on w/ the samo-samo plan isn't gonna change anything.

Remember the Old Adage "Freedom Isn't Free; Somebody Has To Pay For It". Well, if the Afghanis (the ones who really WANT Freedom), don't:
  • Already know how to fight for it; and
  • If they also haven't shown the WILL to do the job by now; then
  • They never will.

The Afghanis, ALL OF THEM, are damn good fighters. They've already proven that over the decades by having beaten back every single "conqueror" who has come in and tried to take over.

The Ruskies gave up; The Turks gave up; The Mongols gave up before that; even Alexander the Great gave up before that; EVERYBODY gave up in their own times. Why have we, and NATO, not learned from history already?????

If the Afghanis really wanted Freedom they'd have it by now. What EACH of them REALLY want is their own little fiefdom and they've been fighting each other for years in order to get it. The rest of the world has been attempting to impose their own brand of "feifdoms" on Afghanistan for centuries and it's never worked! Let them have the place and GTFO! but this time STAY OUT! (NATO included)

Message edited by user at 8/20/2017 6:36:40 PM

8. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 6:24:10 PM)
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Tams, what ever the decision is, it will take time to plan and implement. The logistics of our leaving cannot be accomplished in weeks. What equipment will be take with us, and what will we turn over to the Afghanistan Army? How will we ensure the equipment is maintained and sustained?
It will take months, maybe a couple of years, and it will require a lot of joint planning. There are also NGOs there.

9. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (8/20/2017 6:32:58 PM)
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Tell the NGO's they've got 6 months to do whatever they're gonna do and then they're ON THEIR OWN. That takes care of that problem, now on to extracting the troops ...

Whatever equipment the US LEAVES there is gonna get trashed (by the natives i.e. the Afghanis) in short order once we and the NATO forces are gone, so ...

All that leaves is packing up, loading up and shipping the stuff we take w/ us and GO! or alternatively "Sh!t and Git!"

One year MAX! and we're outta there! All it takes is "Give the Word!"

Therefore, no Afghan-based maintenance and sustaining of any equipment is or will be required which shortens the length of the exit plan immensely. Yeah, the stuff we bring home will have to be maintained, refurbished etc. but that'd happen anyway, so it's not a factor that needs considering until it (the equipment) gets home.

What you've forgotten Douglas is very simple: The KISS Plan! Apply it and be done!

Message edited by user at 8/20/2017 7:49:43 PM

10. D James
     (8/20/2017 6:40:18 PM)
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Victory. Kill those who want us dead. Support those in place who have demonstrated their friendship. Make it so unpalatable by deed for successors to create havoc that their own people will deal with them . Go home. And be alert. These are the watchwords of the "punitive expedition ". It's not original but it signifies the ideal that one would have no more trustworthy and reliable ally but no more fearsome and decisive foe.
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