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Which theory explains why Trump is now working with the democrats?

He is mad at McConnell and Ryan
He doesn’t care about DACA or the debt ceiling
He's trying to focus his party and Congress on tax reform
He has decided to govern from the center
I have another theory



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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (9/14/2017 4:52:00 PM)
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For the second week in a row, President Trump is working more closely with Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer than his own party.

Last week, in a meeting with Democratic and Republican congressional leaders, the president agreed to a Democratic proposal to extend government funding and raise the debt ceiling for three months, even though House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell opposed that deal. On Wednesday night, Trump met with Pelosi, the House minority leader, and Schumer, the Senate minority leader, at the White House — without inviting McConnell and Ryan.

Pelosi and Schumer said that Trump agreed to legislation that would codify former President Barack Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals executive action, which shields undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children from deportation and which Trump rescinded last week. In a series of tweets Thursday morning, Trump said no formal agreement was reached. He did, however, seem open to some kind of DACA law, praising the program’s recipients as “good, educated and accomplished young people.”

  • What do you think is going on?
  • Is this just still "pin-ball machine" governing?
  • Has Trump decided to govern more from the center?
  • How do you think his base will react to his more "warm and fuzzy" DACA talk? (See: "#AmnestyDon/Breitbart News http://snips.ly/K6YH9)
  • What about "The Wall"?
  • Any other thoughts about what's up with Trump?


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2. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 5:32:31 PM)
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Well, as usual I voted "Another Theory". Alas!?!?!?!?!


It's partly about the fact:
  • He's mad @ McConnell and Ryan;
  • He also doesn't particularly care about DACA;
  • He MIGHT BE trying to focus his party and Congress on tax reform but ...; and above all else
  • It's first and foremost all about HIM!; and
  • Secondly he's trying to figure out some way to bring the spotlight back to himself IN A GOOD/POSITIVE WAY.

Apart from one SCOTUS appointment, a bunch of EO's and several Disaster Declarations, what else has he got to show for his pitifully inadequate Presidency????

Closing in on the end of 8 months and there isn't a whole lot he can point to that he can brag about that's any good. He's:
  • Pissed off the Europeans and gotten them very leery of him and his policies;
  • He's got the Asians (SK, JP, NK, CN, etc) mad at him over various and sundry things;
  • He's thinking about trashing the Iran deal which puts us all in jeopardy;
  • He's thinking about trashing NAFTA;
  • He's doing more to divide the country than he's doing to unify it, ...

The only thing he's doing is flailing around trying to figure out some way to bring the spotlight of things back upon himself and to do so in a positive manner IN HIS OWN MIND. It doesn't matter whether or not it turns out to be so in the eyes of anybody else or whether history will judge his accomplishments, or the lack thereof, by the same yardstick he judges himself.

3. B Hoskins CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 7:31:26 PM)
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I'm also in the another theory category.

I think he's not an ideologue. He is more about getting deals done. If the republicans won't work with him, let the democrats try. If they won't, let's push the EO buttons and make Congress legislate to undo them. Congress will have to work together to undo lots of his EOs.

I think he's mad at the republican establishment. I think he's mad at democrats who vote in blocks against his agenda. So, there's no group that he's enthusiastic about working with. But, if he can find a way to cause either or both groups to do things, then that may be better than the continuous "tastes great" "less filling" shouting matches we've been watching for the past 8 months.

I also think it's about DT as well. Interesting, the republicans were mad when Obama did his Dreamers EO. Now, they're mad when DT reverses it. You can't have both sides... or can you?

The democrats thrive on the victim mentality.. victims need democrats to 'save' them, even if they don't really get 'saved.' Repulicans need everyone to think that they're not heartless rich loviving elitists. It's all about what somoene else thinks, and it's all about positioning... not what really might be best for the nation as a whole.

I'm not sure Donald appreciates how hard it is to get anyone who IS in power to relinquish it and work with him. I'm not sure we've had a president that had 24/7 oposition from the day he won his nomination. It's definitely a cluster.

4. Noel Meyer
     (9/14/2017 9:26:08 PM)
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I agree with your post. Good points all.

Just wondering - Is Trump the penultimate Manchurian Candidate?

Trump has created division and eventual destruction of the Republican Party of goals and missions.

Trump has legitimized white supremacy and robber-baron codes of ACCEPTABLE CONDUCT- nepotism - lies - false news - delusions as facts.

Once upon a time, the mere appearance of impropriety was enough for the public to expel those who served the public. Now Trump has made a joke of honor - made of joke of truth and injected hate of all, even his own political party at a time America desperately needs to come together.

Trump is NOT working with Democrats. He is playing with them. Those poor out of power Democrats so desperate to do something with Trump who is so desperate to create a win should be a win-win but is really just a pitiful combination of ignorance and lack of skill on all sides.

5. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 9:44:14 PM)
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Well said B.

6. D James
     (9/14/2017 9:53:32 PM)
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Well stated.

Out here. On the way to points north and west.

7. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 9:55:48 PM)
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What cave were you hibernating in during the two terms of President Obama? McConnell said from the day President Obama was elected that they would work to make him a one term president.
trump's problems are self-inflicted. Nobody but trump and his base think his tweets do anything but hurt him. trump has no loyalty to anybody but himself and his family.
trump has not been able to fill the vacancies in his administration because no qualified people want to be associated with him. Tillerson is about to jump ship.
Add to that the two Congressional Investigations and the Special Counsel.

8. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 10:01:27 PM)
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"Is Trump the penultimate Manchurian Candidate?"

Good observation, I'm not sure why I didn't think of it myself. Hmmmm???????? < head scratch >

"Once upon a time, the mere appearance of impropriety was enough for the public to expel those who served the public. ..."

He's sure damaged the public's perception of the political process, the candidate selection process in particular, and everything else that goes along with electing those who represent us. That's for sure, but then Hillary hasn't helped any of that either.

You're right. It's like I too have maintained all along ... During the 2016 political election, once the major party candidates were chosen, there were no "good" choices left to the public and that's a really sad assessment of the state of the American Political Process.

Message edited by user at 9/14/2017 10:12:05 PM

9. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 10:04:31 PM)
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trump is like a heavily sugared ADHD toddler. He has no clear vision of what he wants to accomplish except he constantly wants attention and admiration. When he doesn’t get it he throws a tantrum. Much of what he does is counterproductive because at the same time he is seeking assistance he often attacks those he is seeking assistance from: China, S Korea, etc.
The Iran Nuclear deal is another example. He has talked about doing away with the deal without having the ability or the justification to do so. In fact, he is expected to extend sanctions relief for Iran this week as part of the 2015 nuclear deal, two senior administration officials said.
The moves come as the administration is wrapping up a months-long review of US policy toward Iran, which officials said is close to completion. trump is now expected to extend sanctions waivers, first issued by the Obama administration, which allow Iran to conduct international business.

10. Scott Walker
     (9/14/2017 11:34:17 PM)
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Tax reform is his direction; however the WALL is going to happen.
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