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Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?

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11. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (11/21/2017 8:54:50 AM)
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" Bull hockey. Corporations and any company exist for the sole purpose of enriching their shareholders. "

Steven, thanks for the clear and unambiguous statement : )


Public companies first responsibility is to shareholders. Period. If adding new employees improves the bottom line and shareholder stock value, then that happens. If adding robots and technology improves the bottom line--bye bye workers. STOCK PRICE rules.

Everyone needs to be clear where primary concerns lie in public companies--mostly in the paychecks of the senior executives. I was there. It's not a myth.

WSJ Video: I suggest everyone watch this 20 second video and watch the CEO's when asked if they would make capital investments with corporate tax reform.



HOWEVER, we need tax reform and there is massive government waste in certain programs.

I would not want to be responsible for making these tax decisions--the ripples are too unknown.

I wish the congress luck.

12. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (11/21/2017 9:19:22 AM)
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So, I would LOVE a tax cut.

What are the three (3) most important things you would fix in the US tax system.

For instance (there are thousands of possibilities, but let me get you started):

  • Inheritance tax.
  • Fewer deductions
  • Higher family credits
  • Lower corporate tax
  • Something else?
  • ........?????

13. D Robb
     (11/21/2017 9:29:08 AM)
     Message ID #294038

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Simplifying the tax code by eliminating deductions which this flawed tax bill tries to do. Increase revenues by raising rates on the richest. Once you have the budget balanced by reducing defense spending, removing the income cap on payroll taxes, and means testing social security, then put a balanced budget amendment in place

14. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 9:38:03 AM)
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These are the highlights of HR1

Read it for yourself, download the PDF

It would help if you are a Tax Attorney, as the language is complex

Mr. Bathurst can interpret any of your questions

Most of the comments I have read, including the former Economist known as Krugman, are simply not true.


Subtitle A—Simplification and reform of rates, standard deduction, and exemptions

Sec. 1001. Reduction and simplification of individual income tax rates.
Sec. 1002. Enhancement of standard deduction.
Sec. 1003. Repeal of deduction for personal exemptions.
Sec. 1004. Maximum rate on business income of individuals.
Sec. 1005. Conforming amendments related to simplification of individual income tax rates.

Subtitle B—Simplification and reform of family and individual tax credits

Sec. 1101. Enhancement of child tax credit and new family tax credit.
Sec. 1102. Repeal of nonrefundable credits.
Sec. 1103. Refundable credit program integrity.
Sec. 1104. Procedures to reduce improper claims of earned income credit.
Sec. 1105. Certain income disallowed for purposes of the earned income tax credit.

Subtitle C—Simplification and reform of education incentives

Sec. 1201. American opportunity tax credit.
Sec. 1202. Consolidation of education savings rules.
Sec. 1203. Reforms to discharge of certain student loan indebtedness.
Sec. 1204. Repeal of other provisions relating to education.
Sec. 1205. Rollovers between qualified tuition programs and qualified ABLE programs.
Subtitle D—Simplification and reform of deductions

Sec. 1301. Repeal of overall limitation on itemized deductions.
Sec. 1302. Mortgage interest.
Sec. 1303. Repeal of deduction for certain taxes not paid or accrued in a trade or business.
Sec. 1304. Repeal of deduction for personal casualty losses.
Sec. 1305. Limitation on wagering losses.
Sec. 1306. Charitable contributions.
Sec. 1307. Repeal of deduction for tax preparation expenses.
Sec. 1308. Repeal of medical expense deduction.
Sec. 1309. Repeal of deduction for alimony payments.
Sec. 1310. Repeal of deduction for moving expenses.
Sec. 1311. Termination of deduction and exclusions for contributions to medical savings accounts.
Sec. 1312. Denial of deduction for expenses attributable to the trade or business of being an employee


Subtitle E—Simplification and reform of exclusions and taxable compensation

Sec. 1401. Limitation on exclusion for employer-provided housing.
Sec. 1402. Exclusion of gain from sale of a principal residence.
Sec. 1403. Repeal of exclusion, etc., for employee achievement awards.
Sec. 1404. Sunset of exclusion for dependent care assistance programs.
Sec. 1405. Repeal of exclusion for qualified moving expense reimbursement.
Sec. 1406. Repeal of exclusion for adoption assistance programs.

15. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (11/21/2017 9:44:46 AM)
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The only thing that matters is the IMPACT, not a laundry list of "aren't we fabulous"

A list says noting.

Analysis says everything. A review of multiple analyses will give you and others a better understanding.

Again, a list does nothing. Only analysis provides light.

16. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 9:47:08 AM)
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"Liberals are denouncing Republican tax reform as a giveaway to big corporations, as they always do. But the irony is that the Senate and House bills would do far more to stop corporate tax gaming than anything the Obama Administration did in eight years. This includes preventing tax avoidance, levelling the tax field for U.S. multinationals, and stopping corporate inversions.


Start with cutting the corporate rate to 20% from 35%, which in a stroke offers less incentive for companies to move capital, income and intellectual property out of the U.S. to lower tax climes. During the Obama Administration, many U.S. companies “inverted” by merging with smaller foreign competitors to take advantage of lower tax rates abroad. The U.S. has the highest corporate rate in the developed world, whose average is 25%.

Inversions seek to make American companies more globally competitive and let them reinvest in the U.S. tax free. Under the current U.S. worldwide tax system, companies can defer taxes on their overseas profits until they bring them home—and then get smacked with the full 35% rate. Hence, corporations have parked $2.5 trillion or more abroad.

Both Senate and House bills move to a territorial system that exempts most foreign income from taxation. Most advanced economies have territorial systems, but they also have safeguards—i.e., base-erosion rules—to prevent abuse. Without these rules, companies could shift domestic income through foreign affiliates to lower tax jurisdictions and then bring the profits home without paying taxes.

The House and Senate bills would impose an effective 10% rate on intangible property of U.S. multinationals that is held overseas. In return, U.S. companies like Apple and Google would be able to repatriate their income tax free. The Senate bill also creates a virtual patent box to entice foreign companies to move their patents to the U.S. by taxing their subsidiaries’ royalties at 12.5%.

Both bills would also prevent foreign multinationals from abusing “transfer pricing”—that is, inflating the price that their U.S. affiliates pay to license IP in order to shift profits overseas. U.S. companies can deduct these payments, and their foreign affiliates then pay taxes at lower rates. The potential for tax arbitrage is greater for IP since it’s hard for government authorities to value. What is a reasonable royalty for a patent? Apple will surely differ from the IRS.

To deter tax avoidance, the House bill threatens a 20% excise tax on all payments from U.S. affiliates to related foreign companies. However, American companies can avoid the excise tax by declaring the payments “effectively controlled income,” which would then be subject to the U.S. 20% corporate rate minus expenses and foreign tax credits. The bill would be minimal for most companies that aren’t exploiting tax havens, but would nonetheless prevent tax arbitrage.

-WSJ Editorial Board 11/19/17

17. Noel Meyer
     (11/21/2017 9:57:09 AM)
     Message ID #294043

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• Inheritance tax
how would this help the middle class? It would help those with big assets and small cash flows, but are these the middle class living from paycheck to paycheck?

• Fewer deductions
Look at the loopholes stimulating special interests. The Rich have lobbyed for ethanol deductions, research costs, investment spending.

Look at the deductions for the middle class - home mortgage interest to spur home ownership, educational deductions to spur the education of the population, there is one line on the normal tax return which gives an added deduction if YOU are over 65 (or if your spouse is also over 65) another line deduction if you are blind attempting to help the elderly and handicapped.


• Higher family credits
Why attack healthcare deductions? Why limit 401K deductions? Immigrants with larger families (like Hispanics) would receive more money back than regular Americans who have a lower birth rate.

• Lower corporate tax
A famous example against lower rates is General Electric getting a tax credit on billions in profits? Just what is the average corporate tax rate with all the special interest tax loopholes?

• Something else?
An HONEST OPEN strategy to tax successful wealth created inside this country while targeting tax credits to encourage spending for savings, home ownership, education, or specific industrial investment.

18. Noel Meyer
     (11/21/2017 10:02:17 AM)
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And yet the corporate RICH GUYS tax cuts are PERMANENT at the same time the middle class tax cuts are temporary of only 10 years when Republicans "HOPE" they would be continued. Yet Republicans are on a kick to remove the added costs of social security, help to the poor and very young and very old all to keep fueling unlimited spending on defense.

19. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (11/21/2017 10:12:56 AM)
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"Liberals are denouncing Republican tax reform as a giveaway to big corporations, as they always do.

It's not just liberals. Otherwise, they wouldn't be sweating the vote, right?

20. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 10:33:54 AM)
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If you want to change the Tax Structure of this country to something that will be FAIR on everybody, here's how to do it (it's a 4-step process and requires they ALL be done) ...
  • Step 1: Trash the entire CURRENT Tax Structure (incl. ALL exemptions, exceptions, loopholes, etc);

  • Step 2: Repeal the XVI Amendment (to eliminate Congress' authority to institute an Income Tax);

  • Step 3: Institute a Balanced Budget Amendment (i.e. the 28th Amendment)
    • Step 4 (below and stipulated in the Amendment) pays for the budget; w/ the ONLY exceptions being
    • Declared National Emergencies (President declares) and Declared Wars (Congress declares); and
    • Requiring the exceptions be paid back IN FULL in 10 years (from cessation);

  • Step 4: Institute a Consumption Tax (both wholesale & retail w/ the ONLY exemption being Unprepared Food) as a subsection of the Balanced Budget Amendment to formally tie it to same.


Oh! and FTR, I voted "No".

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