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199. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/26/2017 1:24:17 PM)
     Message ID #294227

This message is in response to D James ( message id #294225 )  View All Related Messages

The essence of your dialogue with the Trump Trolls is mind-boggling.

Consider how crazy it really is...

Imagine that you and Trump Troll #1 have agreed to chip in to build a fence between your property since it is mutually beneficial to both.

You are both pleased at the finished product... but TT#1 is so awed by the venture that he decides you should both chip in 6 times as much and get fences for everyone on the block - many of whom can't afford a fence.

Then he takes one of his famous polls and argues that since 3 out of 4 people on your block are in favor of you buying them a fence... you have a moral obligation to pay.

Worse. They have a right to a fence.

...and if there are blacks on your street - you are racist for even suggesting you don't want to buy them one. The women on your block need protection - so not buying them one is misogynistic. God help us if you have gay neighbors... it would be homophobic to not buy them a fence.

Lol. How the hell did they ever get us to buy into this crap in the first place?????

Message edited by user at 11/26/2017 1:30:00 PM

198. D Robb
     (11/26/2017 1:22:01 PM)
     Message ID #294226

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Your inability to intelligent debate points has been repeatedly displayed. Your hero, the self-confessed, serial sex criminal, doesn't pay his fair share. He repeatedly lies. One of those lies is that the US is the most heavily taxed country in the world. Not true. US taxes are low relative to those in other developed countries. In 2014, US taxes at all levels of government represented 26 percent of GDP, compared with an average of 34 percent of GDP for the EU. They also provide far more in benefits to their workers.

197. D James
     (11/26/2017 12:52:02 PM)
     Message ID #294225

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Nothing precludes you from making a voluntary payment c/o the U.S. Treasury for any taxes for which you feel you'd like to be remit and have some compulsion derived from guilt and/or stupidity.

I, for one, pay an amount that is and remains significant. I will always pay my share and feel not at all compelled to pay one dime more. You do as you feel best. Your prior comments from polls past inidcate you are all about "free". That's symptomatic of a socialist taker, not a productive maker. I won't even accept a senior discount. To me it's an insult.

The top two % income earners of taxpayers you cite pay approximately a quarter of all Federal taxes.

There is no problem with under taxation but in runaway spending on programs and projects on matters which were not part of the deal set forth in the Constitution.
Revenue has and always has increased upon tax cuts. Unfortunately government spending has always outstripped that revenue increase.

When you mentally become an adult, let us know. You are oh so smug in your arrogance to make your prissy little snark at others you don't know and are frankly non meritorious to make their acquaintance.

By the way, jump pay was $110.00 per month, NOT $115.00.

Mr Bathurst has your number, by the way. Bass on 8 pound monofilament. Just saying. Fahrbach has been trying to throw you back but you keep coming to the surface like a turd in a punchbowl.

196. D Robb
     (11/26/2017 12:25:32 PM)
     Message ID #294224

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After becoming an adult, something many on this forum have mentally not achieved, the only time I didn’t pay taxes was my first tour in Vietnam when I was making $222.30 a month with $115 jump pay and $65 hostile fire pay and entitled to a $500 a month tax exemption.
All modern, civilized, western countries have always had a progressive tax system with the rich being more heavily taxed than the average wage earner. There is sufficient personal wealth in the world to pay the world’s sovereign debt THREE TIMES OVER.
The U.S.—with $63.5 trillion in total private wealth—holds the largest amount of any country in the world. But the U.S. has the largest wealth inequality gap of 55 countries studied. The problem in our country is not over taxation. The problem is under taxation and concentration of the country’s wealth in a few, the top 2%.

195. D James
     (11/26/2017 11:17:52 AM)
     Message ID #294223

This message is in response to Noel Meyer ( message id #294219 )  View All Related Messages

"...hiding open and transparent government..."

It seems we just got through eight years of that. Both parties have deeds in trust to The Swamp. I provide an objective side by side analysis of th House v the Senate proposals. You come back with your fill in the blank talking points.

By the way, I think both proposals are NOT tax reform. But I've stated my piece earlier and often regarding what is real reform and not merely a shell game and more redistribution. The Rs just want to slow it down but it's nothing more than what has been going on for over a half century. When 47% of the income earners pay ZERO Fed tax and the top 20% pay about 87%, there's something askew, don't you think? Speaking of, do you still pay? I wonder if your circle fest buddy Rahb pays anything. In about three years when I have to initiate minimum distribution from IRA accounts I'll be back in the 35% bracket. Oh well. So much for "retirement". What say you?

194. Noel Meyer
     (11/26/2017 10:13:41 AM)
     Message ID #294222

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So what does a "Patriotic Millionaire" think about the Trump Tax plan?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJpx3-Zwdg

193. Noel Meyer
     (11/26/2017 10:10:07 AM)
     Message ID #294221

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37 out of 38 economists polled say the Republican Tax Plan would only 'BALLOON' the deficit and not stimulate the economy. The 38th economist acknowledged he mis-understood the question.

In the next week to 10 days the Republican Tax plan will be voted on. Will it pass? Too close to call. Will Republicans be able to run next year on such a flawed tax plan? Not if they want to win re-election.

List the Trump/Republican failures since January, 2017 and list his achievements (usually by executive order destroying Obama's achievements). 10 months in a Republican controlled government and NOTHING got done. So bad were the Republican bills, so flawed that not even Republicans would vote for them.

If you have another explanation, please insert it here. But it appears Trump-Republicans (and there is growing concern that those deplorables are NOT real Republicans but anarchists) simply can not govern in a democracy or even a republic-- maybe in a dictatorship but not what Americans hold to be good government.

192. Noel Meyer
     (11/26/2017 9:46:09 AM)
     Message ID #294220

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"Only thing is......he is rooting for failure. Now that is deplorable."

Says YOU!

There are historical precedents, laws, acceptable behavior and there are breaks in such behavior. It is said that allowing 'Trump to continue to be Trump' will only destroy our democracy, the Republican Brand and American social values of truth - justice - and the American way.

191. Noel Meyer
     (11/26/2017 9:38:29 AM)
     Message ID #294219

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One can live in the past like the Republicans. So many investigations into Hillary many more than Trump and the Republicans have allowed into the Russian interference in the 2016 election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZAPwfrtAFY

Watch this video, you can speed through much of it but it has a solid premise, Trump and his supporters have three main tricks/strategies to avoid accountability for his actions.

Instead of answering questions about now, today, his own failures - Trump and his supporters (like D James) attempt to change the discussion by inserting "Whataboutit" and then accusing others diverting the discussion to others instead of owning up to his actions.

Attacking the media is another tactic, belittling his critics and making statements with no proof at all (like "Obama tapped the wires of Trump towers" or 'More equivalency between totally separate actions as morally equivalent'

How can you "drain the swamp" when you muddy the discussion hiding open and transparent government. Trump's "Trolling" on Twitter represents some of the most insane comments made with absolutely no proof, no support, just spewing hatred to his base.

190. D Robb
     (11/26/2017 9:07:55 AM)
     Message ID #294218

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Public opinion is definitely against the GOP tax reform proposals because no matter how much lipstick you put on this pig, it is a pig. trump campaigned that he was going to help the middle class. This tax reform proposal hurts the middle class.
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