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Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?

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325. Noel Meyer
     (11/28/2017 3:58:48 PM)
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"Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don't see a deal!""

1. So the Federal government ends sanctuary cities, not the local municipalities themselves, how is that giving a voice to the people when the Republicans want a Republican child molester in Alabama to be just a local decision>

2. After Sandy Hook, Las Vegas and so many other gun related massacres, how is sensible gun control being 'soft on crime' when Republicans stated that those with mental problems should not have their right to own a gun infringed upon.

3. "and want to substantially RAISE Taxes" with ballooning deficits, increased military spending, and debt at $20 TRILLION why would anyone want to give the corporations and the richest 1% PERMANENT tax cuts of almost 50%?

324. Noel Meyer
     (11/28/2017 3:51:37 PM)
     Message ID #294352

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"why would anyone start a company anyway? In order to have a company, they will eventually have to hire employees. That will force them to have to give away "their" money to their employees"

So the tax plan falls apart BECAUSE the very richest will NOT create jobs with those tax breaks, only horde more money, not re-invest that money into brick and mortar structures creating jobs, just giving more money to the very richest, best politically connected.

If you wanted an answer to "Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class? " you just got your answer by a premier Trump supporter.

323. D Robb
     (11/28/2017 2:57:27 PM)
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The Great Deal maker of “You’ll be tired of winning” fame, just blew it again. This time he really blew it big. He and the GOP need the Dems to come on board to prevent a government shutdown which will occur on December unless Congress can pass a bill -- and the bone spur guy can sign it -- to fund the government beyond that date.
A government shutdown is in no one's political interests -- especially the GOP since are in control. However, the WH bully couldn’t keep his mouth shut and sent this tweet: "Meeting with 'Chuck and Nancy' today about keeping government open and working. Problem is they want illegal immigrants flooding into our Country unchecked, are weak on Crime and want to substantially RAISE Taxes. I don't see a deal!"

322. Domenick Aulozzi CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 2:10:51 PM)
     Message ID #294350

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How do you give a "tax break" to anyone that does not pay taxes? If I currently pay the highest percentage of taxes, why should I not get the highest tax break?

Furthermore, using your logic, why would anyone start a company anyway? In order to have a company, they will eventually have to hire employees. That will force them to have to give away "their" money to their employees. As you Robbs (I'm not sure you are not the same person) of the world have told us repeatedly, rich business people only want to hoard their money, they don't like to give it away. It seems to me they would be better off just taking someone else's money as their employee, rather than starting a business and having to wind up giving their own money away to employees.

Message edited by user at 11/28/2017 2:13:05 PM

321. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 1:19:23 PM)
     Message ID #294349

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If you say so.

320. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 1:18:58 PM)
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Another Dem bites the dust after sexual harassment charges in California. (Who says there is no justice in the world.)

319. D Robb
     (11/28/2017 1:18:44 PM)
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Robert, the US economy is primarily a consumer economy. Unfortunately, so much wealth has been concentrated in the top 2% of the population, and so many jobs have been lost to automation and lower wage, overseas workers, the average consumer has no money to spend. The answer is not to give more money to the top 2%. The answer is get more money to the middle class through better jobs and tax cuts. This flawed bill does not do that.

318. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 1:11:03 PM)
     Message ID #294346

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You are confusing trickle down with corporate tax rates.

The primary reason for lowering rates to corporations is to compete with other nations for domicile (facilities and jobs). Regardless of how they apply the additional after tax income, they must first decide where that income is maxed. If they choose the US, that's where the facilities and jobs will go. There are additional factors such as labor costs, skill levels, shipping, tariffs and whole host of issues... which generally means no unions, good education, and other issues the Democrats have shifted against America.

After that - the issue of how to apply increases in after tax income arises. If you understand competition - particularly elasticity - you will know that just passing the vig on to shareholders does not always serve them best. There are many factors involved here as well.

The decision will not be universal. Different strokes for different folks. Some percentage will go into lowering prices and expanding the business. To whatever extent this happens, the consumer benefits. At a certain point, sales drive tax revenues beyond their original starting point.

It is a risk. It doesn't always work. But it's a sound risk under normal circumstances - and a crucial risk for a nation $20T in debt.

If you have another way out of this debt - without growing the economy - I'd love to hear it. You could increase taxes - but that means collecting more from fewer working people... and that is precisely the disaster that has brought us to where we are today.

Message edited by user at 11/28/2017 1:13:17 PM

317. D Robb
     (11/28/2017 1:10:16 PM)
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Thomas, you have lost all credibility, and your disjointed post attacking other posters rather than posting factual arguments for your flawed tax reform bill is another example.

316. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 1:07:21 PM)
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LOL!

sticks and stones........EVEYONE is an Economist! Amazing...even those Turbo-Tax folks.


But here's the thing, when you are not in power, desperation and all sense of rationality goes out the window in regaining that power

This all demonstrates that the Democrats, have long ago traded the truth for acquisition of power.
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