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Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?

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21. D Robb
     (11/21/2017 10:40:33 AM)
     Message ID #294047

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Agree. If the objective is to help the middle class and create jobs for trump's unemployed then this tax reform package is not the solution. trump's populist, America first voters thought they were voting for something new, but that is not what they are getting. PT Barnum said it best.

22. D Robb
     (11/21/2017 10:56:45 AM)
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It is ironic that the ones who will be hurt the most by this tax bill are the lower middle class, many of whom were trump voters. It is not surprising that the amnesia administration has ‘forgotten’ virtually all of the little hands guy’s populist ideas. Republican voters thought they were voting for something different, but they didn’t get it. The problem is that trump has never had a strategy, plan or vision.
Any tax bill will create winners and losers. This tax bill was crafted with the idea of providing tax cuts to the richest Americans and corporations. Then they looked for ways to pay for some of these tax cuts. Well, where else but the middle class is available to pay for it, now and in the future?
Just as our farm policy provides cheap food at the cost of local, small farms. Our trade policy provides cheap imports at the cost of native-born, less skilled workers. Both need changes. American workers who compete with very low-paid workers abroad should be given much more extensive transition support. A conservative-populist agenda could include federal wage subsidies, as Senator Marco Rubio has proposed for Puerto Rico’s workers, to maintain decent living standards for America’s growing class of low-wage workers.
American jobs for American citizens also needs to become more than a slogan. The new tax bill should include provisions that give employers credits in addition to the current deduction for employee compensation to legal United States residents. A second provision should provide additional tax credits for wage increases above national averages for workers earning below-average wages.
Entitlement reform should result in means testing and reducing the benefits of those with large 401(k) accounts.
First you need to honestly establish a vision of where you want to bring the country, and then design the policies to get you there. trump said that he wanted to help the under educated and unemployed. So far he hasn’t.

23. Jefferson Packer
     (11/21/2017 11:37:25 AM)
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Hang on...let me go online and read it...ok, I'm done.

So I think that...

24. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 11:50:54 AM)
     Message ID #294050

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Someone postpones consumption, invests his savings to produce a good or service, delights customers, generates profits, and then consumes and invests what’s left in further production. These profits are pure, generated from price signals between buyers and sellers, without favoritism from experts or elites. It isn’t hard to grasp.

Profit is the ultimate measure of value to consumers—and therefore to society. Consumers benefit from buying stuff, or else they would make it all themselves, and producers benefit from selling, or else business wouldn’t be worth the effort. Of similar value, profits go both ways.

The price of savings is the tax rate

25. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 11:51:46 AM)
     Message ID #294051

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Clinton cut taxes, and balanced the budget

26. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 11:53:12 AM)
     Message ID #294052

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ESI Tax Exclusion

It is unfair, and has made a mess of our healthcare sytem

27. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/21/2017 11:55:37 AM)
     Message ID #294053

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8 Democrats could change that, reconciliation

Which is ironic since it was the Democrats that extended the Bush Tax cuts which also had a sunset.

28. Michael O'Neill
     (11/21/2017 12:01:11 PM)
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Clinton raised taxes. If it was a tax cut, why did Republicans vote 100% against it?

29. D Robb
     (11/21/2017 12:43:10 PM)
     Message ID #294055

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No, Clinton raised taxes and created a surplus. Nobody has ever cut taxes and lowered the deficit. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_gist/1996/08/the_biggest_tax_increase_in_history.html

30. D Robb
     (11/21/2017 1:03:19 PM)
     Message ID #294056

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You see fake news syndrome in action. Only in an alternative facts universe can Bill Clinton sign the "Biggest tax increase in history" and later have it described as a tax cut.
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