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Do you think it's more effective to be for or against something or someone?

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11. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 9:21:22 AM)
     Message ID #295859

This message is in response to Tams Bixby ( message id #295858 )  View All Related Messages

Tams, regardless of how people view things, there are usually areas of agreement. If we attempt to build solutions or responses based on areas of agreement and be as inclusive as possible by involving as many people as possible in the solution we are stronger. That is why the military requires that everyone put aside their differences once a decision is made, and work TOGETHER.
When we build barriers, divide ourselves, and refuse to work together for a solution, even if it is not the solution we desire, we are weaker.

12. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 9:34:01 AM)
     Message ID #295860

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I must be missing something D ...

While I agree w/ what you have said in your post, I fail to see your post's relevance to the "topic" of discussion.

The "topic" (at least as I see it) is about whether or not it is:
  • More "effective" to support or oppose a position and it's resultant presentation on an issue;
  • Not how to act once a position or decision has been taken/made on that issue.


Message edited by user at 12/30/2017 9:36:11 AM

13. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 9:46:54 AM)
     Message ID #295861

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I did not take the question that way at all. I believe that we need to be proactive and craft decisions that the majority support. It's too late once the decision is made. The tax cut is a bad decision, but it has been made, and it is the law of the land. If the GOP had wanted to craft a tax bill that the majority of Americans could support they could have brought the Dems in and had public hearings. It could have been good, and it could have been unifying. At this point it is a done deal. It isn't going to change, but the opposition it has created will be applied to future decisions, especially voting in the mid-terms.

14. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 10:36:49 AM)
     Message ID #295862

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And the two "positions" both you and I are discussing EXACTLY represents the point I was making when I made my original post.

Thank you! and I'll now sign off.

15. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 10:38:43 AM)
     Message ID #295863

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Many on this forum and our current president view life as a zero sum game. If they don't win, they lose. That is a horrible approach to life, and sure way to ensure partnerships, marriages, and other relationships fail. Compromise is the way to success. We don't need a southern wall, we need immigration reform, and a clear vision of how to secure the border using sensors, cameras, roving patrols, and cooperation with Mexico.

16. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 11:05:44 AM)
     Message ID #295864

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As a staff officer on a General Staff I prepared multiple decision papers and circulated them. I presented the facts of what I wanted to do in the Engineer area, and solicited comments. After receipt of the comments I attached them as Tabs and attempted to lay out in a draft the proís and conís from all the other staff sections. We then had a meeting with the Chief of Staff and finalized my draft into a single page document that we all agreed upon. Then we met with the General and he made his decision after everyone had an opportunity to answer the Generalís questions and voice their concerns. It is a good way to make decisions. In the end, no one felt they had lost because they had had the opportunity to present and defend their positions before the decision was made. Once the decision was made they supported it, and had a stake in making it successful.

17. Noel Meyer
     (12/30/2017 11:07:42 AM)
     Message ID #295865

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"Strategic decisions or choices have to be made without emotion, tactical reactions are all emotional. We have seen that played out with the never-Trump movement."

Thomas, ever hear of "Black Lives Matter"?
Ever hear of "Dunkirk"?
Ever hear of or see demonstrations in The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989?

Ever hear 'don't corner a wounded animal without leaving it a way out'?

You are confusing 'business decisions' with normal human reactions, your are confusing logic with emotions like 'unfairness' or 'fear' or 'need'.

Do the terrorists who are such brutal killers make decisions without emotion?

"Being "for" or "against" is irrelevant. Making choices is simply logic, pros v. cons, cost v. benefit"

Please explain the Trump decisions of a tax cut for the rich when the deficit is already at $20 TRILLION.

Please explain the Republican hated of Hillary Clinton when even multiple Republican investigations could not prove criminal actions.

Please explain the arrogance Trump has shown in not releasing his tax returns when every other presidential candidate has done so or show why he has kept his business interests as conflicts of interest (Trump will make $11 million each year off the tax cut bill).

" The dynamics of your environment are constantly changing, something you cannot control, but you can adapt and always look to see what is coming."

Explain Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq over WMD
Explain Trump's decision to support bigotry and racism of white supremacists.

Thomas YOU are trying to paint a pig in a better light.

18. Domenick Aulozzi CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 11:55:42 AM)
     Message ID #295866

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I am not sure this can be an either or answer. If you have convictions about your beliefs, you will of course be passionate about those convictions and if it is an important enough issue, try to influence others to the validity of your position.

Many times, myself included, we argue about issues that are not all that important. I am hearing Andy in my head right now. I am trying to work on that in my own life. Other things are truly important issues (even life and death issues), those we need not be afraid to argue for our position and against a position we think is truly harmful. I think if you can find a way to discuss the issue or person in a way that stays constructive, you will have a better chance of influencing others. That can be a very difficult thing for me to do sometimes.

19. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 12:01:47 PM)
     Message ID #295867

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"I think if you can find a way to discuss the issue or person in a way that stays constructive, you will have a better chance of influencing others. That can be a very difficult thing for me to do sometimes."



Hi Domenick,

I too can sympathize with your conundrum as I too occasionally resemble that problem myself. Cheerio!

20. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 12:12:16 PM)
     Message ID #295868

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What do you consider a life or death issue?
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