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Do you think it's more effective to be for or against something or someone?

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21. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 12:29:12 PM)
     Message ID #295869

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Douglas,

One version of such a issue/decision would be "Playing Russian Roulette". Each time it's your turn, the decision of whether or not to pull the trigger is a life or death issue.

And as I said, that's just ONE version of such an issue.

Message edited by user at 12/30/2017 12:30:36 PM

22. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 12:39:23 PM)
     Message ID #295870

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Actually, you made my point. If it is a life or death issue that directly affects you as an individual I can understand being uncompromising. However, if the issue is abstract, i.e., someone else's abortion, marriage, etc., I can't. That's imposing your belief's on others. Its especially confusing when those same individuals talk glibly about murdering 30 million innocent humans because they are afraid.

23. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 1:10:21 PM)
     Message ID #295871

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your or you're?

All emotional rants M.

It's all business....not personal, need to know and separate the difference.

It's like the first car you bought, that was all love. The last car you bought was all logic.

Message edited by user at 12/30/2017 1:12:45 PM

24. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 1:21:32 PM)
     Message ID #295872

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I have never been stupid enough, or drunk enough to play Russian Roulette. Have you? Perhaps, not the best example.

25. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 1:49:39 PM)
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He says that they are strategic decisions, but cannot explain any of them because they were all dumb, emotional pandering to his ignorant base.

26. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 3:25:22 PM)
     Message ID #295874

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Not quite... you are playing checkers, President Trump is playing Chess, he can predict your next 2-3 moves. President Obama spent 8 years putting out fires, that is when he wasn't fundraising.

27. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 3:38:59 PM)
     Message ID #295875

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Post something credible that supports your ridiculous statement. trump is totally clueless. He has empowered China and Russia, and driven Germany and the UK away.

28. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 3:53:22 PM)
     Message ID #295876

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It has as much credibility as your claim that trump has caught up to President Obama in approval ratings. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/politics/donald-trump-approval-rating/index.html
You really need to leave the dark zone and join the living.

29. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 4:08:12 PM)
     Message ID #295877

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Obama stood at 44% after his first year. He dropped to 40% in the fall.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/r1w3hhRUe

Trump currently stands at 40%.

https://qz.com/889644/obamas-approval-rating-from-his-first-day-to-his-last-in-charts/

You can play with the words to make this into either a yes or a no... the fact is - they are pretty much in the same neighborhood.

30. B Hoskins CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 4:16:59 PM)
     Message ID #295878

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I think itís one thing to be for or against something or someone... we all are for or against this or that. We all are for against someone as well.

So, itís one thing to recognize where I stand with respect to a person or an issue. Itís another thing for an opposing person to (1) recognize where he or she stands with respect to a person or an issue and (2) be willing to consider differing views.

If two people donít agree, and are not willing to consider differing views, they may as well be pushing a rope. It is neither effective nor ineffective to be for or against when neither side is willing to consider the differing view with a mind to considering whether their original view should change. The disagreement will stand notwithstanding a for or against position. In that case, it is never effective either way.

If we have differing views that are not necessarily OPPOSING views, then we may have a willingness to say that this is not a hill worth dying on. The differences may be inconsequential.

Also, if the views are differing but not opposing, then there is an effectiveness when enthusiasm wins the day. We support this together!!! There is also an effectiveness when we oppose something together... Together, we oppose those who would attack our country, even if we donít agree on how we would approach it. Pearl Harbor is a good illustration.

Today, we donít seem to have the Pearl Harbor magnet that pulls us all together. Itís been 16 years since 911, and we donít even agree on how to fight terror. Heck, Israel has been fighting it for much longer, and it still exists. Can it really be defeated?

We donít agree on whether Islamic extremism is an issue about which we should unite.

In football, it seems equally effective to be FOR my team (as a player) playing to defend honor and reputation of my teammates, when compared to be against the other team when they are ridiculing my team or any of my teammates. Weíve seen a clear superior team pop off when facing a lower quality team, only to wake up the monster and suffer a surprising defeat.

So, there is no Ďmore effectiveí way to adopt universally. Itís situational. As such, there is a logic to be employed along with common sense (which is increasingly uncommon).

God help us all!

Message edited by user at 12/30/2017 4:33:54 PM
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