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Trump is making moves to pull out of the South Korea trade agreement? Do you agree?

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637. M Bathurst
     (9/14/2017 5:10:41 PM)
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What is being said publicly, may not be the real facts and where this ends up. Even the Big Ears Barry Administration was saying things there were not accurate to keep this program running.

For a deal that was to be so comprehensive, it sure left some nasty loose ends.

But, then I am not the blind faith guy like you.

636. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 5:06:18 PM)
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This article from an Israeli newspaper on the Iran Nuclear Agreement is worth a read.

The agreement, which in Western capitals has been presented as one that will distance Iran from obtaining a nuclear bomb, a victory of diplomacy over force and proof that a diplomatic solution to Iran’s nuclear program is possible, has been portrayed in Jerusalem as an Iranian trap that includes short-term tactical concessions in favor of long-term nuclear progress.
On one hand, the world has forced Iran to agree to significant limitations on its nuclear activity, repairing loopholes in the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran exploited in order to build its nuclear program. Even though technologically, if it had wanted to, Iran could have long ago become a nuclear state, it understood that the price for such a step would have been too steep. By limiting its nuclear activity, the agreement enshrines the understanding that a sovereign state such as Iran is not entitled to decide on its own how to interpret the vague prohibitions of the treaty. Ultimately, Iran needs international consent to apply its interpretation of what it can and cannot do with respect to its nuclear activity. The new agreement significantly limits Tehran’s nuclear activity for at least 15 years. One may quibble over the details, but in general, it’s a substantial diplomatic achievement.

There is a much deeper reason why the agreement is good for Israel. It’s good because it contains the potential to drastically change the Israeli agenda and the Israeli condition. After a long period of manipulation of national fears over what has been known as “the Iranian threat,” finally there is the possibility that the issue, and with it the politics of manipulative scare-mongering, will drop off our public agenda. More precisely, the Iranian nuclear issue will remain on the agenda, but it will be dealt with quietly in the professional settings that it deserves.
The removal of the “Iranian threat” can provide a huge positive impact on Israeli politics and on the entire public agenda and quality of life in the country. That perhaps is the real reason why Netanyahu has been whimpering that the accord is a bad one. If the pact works, it could change all of our priorities and force us to deal with Israel’s real pressing issues.

The writer is professor at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey, California and author of “Israel and the Bomb.”

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635. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 5:00:16 PM)
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No, that's not what I said.

EVERYBODY, repeat EVERYBODY, is guilty of doing as little as possible to just get by and that includes the government, both private and public corporations and businesses, and people too for that matter.

Nobody is all that concerned about doing things the right way these days. Everybody is overly concerned about "the bottom line" and how it can be maximized while expenses can be minimized.

That includes WRT Elections, Voting Processes and Regulations as well and each entity is touting the deficiencies of all their competitors and alter egos while minimizing and/or hiding their own vulnerabilities.

It's all about Greed and Political Correctness among other things. It doesn't seem as if anybody really cares anymore as long as they can deflect any blame and/or attention away from themselves and toward their enemies, competitors and alter egos.

How do you go about "fixing" the problems???? Well, for starters "It ain't easy, but somebody has to start it off." and they have to start somewhere so pick a spot and get busy. Does that mean somebody else is off the hook???? Not only No, but Hell No! but to some people it's gonna look as if somebody is getting off easy. That's just the way the cookie crumbles.

634. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 4:50:42 PM)
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No, you are totally ignorant on a lot of things, and especially on the Iran Nuclear deal. Even trump admits that Iran is complying with the agreement, as does the IAE, but facts have never been your long suit. You are especially clueless on ths issue.

633. M Bathurst
     (9/14/2017 4:46:16 PM)
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Only in your poppycocked dreams.

632. M Bathurst
     (9/14/2017 4:45:52 PM)
     Message ID #290455

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"Just what we need, a nuclear armed Iran."

It is what Big Eared Barry assured - a nuclear armed Iran.

So, quit your complaining.

631. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 4:45:20 PM)
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Even after trump met with Senator Tim Scott and everyone thought that the issue of the Charlottesville remarks had been put to rest, trump reopened the wound and repeated his remarks that there were bad dudes on both sides.

630. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 4:42:49 PM)
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Exactly right, Rick. We have the best nuclear agreement ever negotiated - far better than the US-USSR Salt Agreements, and trump wants to throw it away. Dumb, dumb, dumb

629. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 4:35:14 PM)
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The fact that elections are NOT a Federal responsibility doesn't bother you? Of course, the Feds are doing everything they need to do perfectly so it makes sense they'd become involved in elections???

628. Douglas Robb CEOExpressSelect Member
     (9/14/2017 4:34:04 PM)
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Who negotiated that ‘bad’ trade deal with N Korea? The answer, at the end of the post, may surprise you.
“South Korea has been an adamant ally to the United States for the last 70 years. Now, North Korea is provoking and China is expanding their power, flexing muscles,” said Choi Seok-young, who is now ambassador to the United Nations. “We don’t quite understand what is the main purpose of attacking Korea by terminating Korea-U.S. FTA at this critical time.”

His American counterpart, Wendy Cutler, warns that an American pullout from the agreement would likely drive South Korea into a closer economic relationship with China. Note: this is the same argument for ratifying TPP.
The White House has not made a formal announcement on terminating the deal. In fact, days after reports surfaced of Trump’s move to withdraw, United States Trade Representative Robert E. Lighthizer contradicted Trump, telling reporters that the administration wants to negotiate the deal and make “some amendments” instead.
Since Trump’s election, officials here have stressed that the agreement, while not perfect, is designed to be mutually beneficial. trump’s consistent criticism of the deal has left South Korean trade officials and experts rejecting his characterization of it as a U.S. job killer, and instead highlighting gains that U.S. has made in the Korean market, sometimes to the detriment of Korean workers.

“The U.S. argument to renegotiate the Korus FTA is very difficult to understand from the Korean perspective,” Choi said. He called it a “revolutionary” move.
“That makes me wonder: How can we trust the United States? They pushed it very strongly 10 years ago,” he said, “and after a while, they come back to abolish it. It’s a matter of trust, and this kind of attitude does not help in strengthening allies.”
The agreement was negotiated and signed under George W. Bush. It was ratified by Congress in 2011 and took effect in 2012.
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