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Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?

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1. Domenick Aulozzi CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 2:10:51 PM)
     Message ID #294350

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How do you give a "tax break" to anyone that does not pay taxes? If I currently pay the highest percentage of taxes, why should I not get the highest tax break?

Furthermore, using your logic, why would anyone start a company anyway? In order to have a company, they will eventually have to hire employees. That will force them to have to give away "their" money to their employees. As you Robbs (I'm not sure you are not the same person) of the world have told us repeatedly, rich business people only want to hoard their money, they don't like to give it away. It seems to me they would be better off just taking someone else's money as their employee, rather than starting a business and having to wind up giving their own money away to employees.

2. Noel Meyer
     (11/28/2017 6:18:14 PM)
     Message ID #294352

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"why would anyone start a company anyway? In order to have a company, they will eventually have to hire employees. That will force them to have to give away "their" money to their employees"

So the tax plan falls apart BECAUSE the very richest will NOT create jobs with those tax breaks, only horde more money, not re-invest that money into brick and mortar structures creating jobs, just giving more money to the very richest, best politically connected.

If you wanted an answer to "Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class? " you just got your answer by a premier Trump supporter.

3. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 3:51:37 PM)
     Message ID #294359

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The tax rate to the wealthy has not changed.

A 20-something economist who is an associate professor at U Chicago, has claimed 70% of sub-s owners are in the 1%, claims he has "studied" that......despite the fact tax returns are not public information...interesting hypothesis.

NYT, Krugman has run with it. More Tax cuts for wealthy! Front page news. They all read the NYT, must be true!

What I want to know is how this Associate Professor made the front page? And why are they all foaming at the mouth?

...and of course Professor Nobody got his PHD from of all places, Berkeley.

And the Liberals light their hair on fire! Again?

Let's follow the professors' logic. If he is correct your pizza guy, dry cleaner, plumber, lawn guy, paint store dude, and another 3-4 dozen sub-s corps you depend on, are all gazillionaires, and have retired!!

Remember what A. Smith said, "if given the choice between leisure and toils, humans will always choose the former.


There's your answer Meyer.

4. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 8:30:21 AM)
     Message ID #294364

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You asked how does this tax bill benefit the wealthy a couple of days ago. I showed you exactly how that was the case and I didn't hear anything from you. Now you resurface with a different attempted distortion of the facts of this tax cut.

The first time, could be blamed on ignorance of the facts. The second time, you are IMO being disingenuous! You cannot be trusted or taken seriously.

Message edited by user at 11/29/2017 8:32:39 AM

5. Robert Campbell
     (11/28/2017 6:27:18 PM)
     Message ID #294362

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If only those making over $250K pay all the taxes, who's getting the $1100 Paul Ryan was so quick to highlight? It's THOSE people who should be getting the breaks as Trump promised them. He derided the rich to court the middle class TAXPAYERS and now he and the rest of the lying Republicans are stiffing them to enrich themselves.

Earning power for the wealthy has steadily increased since the 1980s while real wages for working people have stagnated. Since the Bush recession, that has actually accelerated. The fools who've been duped by Trump and the GOP complained during the campaign that they didn't feel they benefited from the recovery from '08. They were right. They didn't. And they didn't because the GOP saw to it they didn't. No raise in th minimum wage, no extension of benefits during the depths of the recession, filibustered a infrastructure bill, several tax increases on the wealthy to begin paying down the debt and now screwing them with their tax scheme.

6. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/28/2017 4:58:43 PM)
     Message ID #294363

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That is a horrible trend... but it has far more to do with the underlying fundamentals of automation, globalization and corporatism. than with American Politics.

The problem is that American Politics is all we have to try to reverse it. Unfortunately, Corporatists have complete control of the leaderless Democratic Party and significant control of traditional Republicans.

Message edited by user at 11/28/2017 5:02:49 PM

7. Domenick Aulozzi CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 9:42:35 AM)
     Message ID #294377

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Robb you still have not answered the question:

How do you get a tax "break" if you don't pay taxes and why shouldn't the ones paying the highest taxes get the biggest break?

8. D Robb
     (11/28/2017 8:24:58 PM)
     Message ID #294393

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Your simple minded post shows you are as bad at math as M BSer. 57% pay taxes, but the richest 2% benefit from these tax cuts disportionately. Both they and corporations are doing very well and don't need a tax cut. The middle class is doing poorly and does.
Noel has posted a good list of all the things we need MORE money to address, not less, starting with the three hurricanes and our failing infrastructure. Why would any but the greedy think we need a tax cut which will balloon the deficit $2 trillion. Explain that.

Message edited by user at 11/29/2017 12:28:29 PM
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