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1. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 10:13:26 AM)
     Message ID #294813

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Well there again you miss the mark.

While it's true I "Don't Like" HRC, it's NOT true I hate her. What I hate is LIARS (for reasons I'll keep to myself) and since the vast majority of politicos lie, which most definitely includes HRC, well then there ya have the reason I "Don't Like" her.

It's probably closer to being correct to say ALL politicos lie but I try to cut 'em some slack about whether or not they intentionally lie(d), at least until: (1) Proven they do it more often than not; and (2) Whether or not they do it for the benefit of "We, The People" or not, by looking at whether or not they did it primarily to benefit themselves or not.

In HRC's case, she does it to benefit herself and "the Slickster" and to hell with "We, The People" so she gets no slack at all.

2. D Robb
     (12/6/2017 10:22:59 AM)
     Message ID #294814

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Tams, when trump is out of office he will be out of mind. He wasn't important to me before he became president and he will be even less important to me when he no longer is. (The sooner that happens, the better.)
Your relationship with Secretary Clinton is different. She was a great Senator for NYS. She has been out of office for a while. She will probably never be in a public office. Why can't you let it go?

3. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 11:03:44 AM)
     Message ID #294815

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That's certainly a shameful lie.

You've been licking his feet since he first announced his candidacy - long before his election was even plausible.

In fact, it isn't your sick obsession with Donald Trump that is interesting... it is your total lack of interest in anything you can not reduce to a Trump issue.

Message edited by user at 12/6/2017 11:09:47 AM

4. D Robb
     (12/6/2017 10:37:19 AM)
     Message ID #294817

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Wait until he is gone, Robert. You will see. Hopefully, that will be soon.

5. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 10:35:40 AM)
     Message ID #294819

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Lol. Then you would have to build your entire life around something else.

Take heart, he will be gone in seven years. Maybe he will pardon Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on the way out.

6. D Robb
     (12/6/2017 12:17:18 PM)
     Message ID #294820

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At the rate that Mueller is going he will be lucky to get two more years. He sure as hell is not going to get elected to another term. There were a lot of people who couldn't bring themselves to vote for Secretary Clinton, and they are regretting their decision now. They won't miss their next chance to vote against the bone spur guy.

7. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 11:08:29 AM)
     Message ID #294830

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Yes...well... by all means indulge in whatever fantasies float your boat (you always have).

In the real world, the tax plan is progressing, Obamacare is eroding, the personality of government is changing, Contractors for the wall have been approved, the Supreme Court has green-lighted the immigration ban, thousands of regulations have been reversed, trade deals are being re-negotiated, the economy is better, the military is being rebuilt... etc., etc., etc.

... small wonder you wish to live in a dream world. It's the onlyone you have left.

8. B Hoskins CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 10:46:38 AM)
     Message ID #294816

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D...

Who appointed you as the ultimate judge of who was a great office holder and who was not (whether its presidency, senate, house, court, or whatever)?

Why don't you say that you believe she was a great senator? That leaves it as an IMO statement that is easily understood and accepted?

If everyone is his or her own judge of right and wrong, good and bad, etc., then how will we, as a people comprised of whatever the plural version of he and she might be, ever discern a community standard by which we can all live, agree, and be governed?

You're not god. Why can't you let it go?

9. D Robb
     (12/6/2017 10:44:24 AM)
     Message ID #294818

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She was my senator. She was great for NYS and me. That is my opinion based on my experience and standards. Clear enough?
Provide me some factual reasons why I shouldn't hold the opinion I do. You are the one with the problem. Not me.

10. B Hoskins CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 8:02:00 AM)
     Message ID #294821

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There's no reason why you should be denied your right to your opinion. I even support your right to your opinion.

It's when you imply, by your sweeping statements, that your opinion is empirical fact. That's different.

That said, you even have the right to state your opinion in a manner that suggests that the viewpoint is correct and should be accepted as universal truth. However, when you do, you should never be surprised if someone who disagrees, does so with the same fervor that you use when you state your opinions.

You are the one with the problem. Not me.

If you want to play Pee Wee Herman with me, I can do this all day. Make sure you eat your Wheaties, Cheerios, spinach and take your pills. I know you are, but what am I?

11. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 3:34:04 PM)
     Message ID #294822

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One day, some time ago I looked up Sen Clintons' Congressional record...she successfully sponsored 10-12 bills that renamed federal property, mostly post offices, another was very compelling, recertifying a watershed in upstate..

So basically, it was housekeeping bills

Please tell us, pray tell Mr. Robb what she did for you? Other than being a partisan Liberal????

Is there a roadway or post office named in your honor we don't know about?

P.S. "uncle Ted' was my Senator for many years, recently his family, along with a Koch brother put the nail in the coffin on Cape Wind via lawsuits. It was Teddy's last fight......

12. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 12:51:34 PM)
     Message ID #294823

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WRT your first sentence/statement ... I couldn't agree more.


WRT your second sentence/statement (and this is the last I'll say about it) ... What she did (during her tenure as Sec'y of State) was anything but in the People's interest (Email Server - definitely so; Benghazi - ???? We'll see if they ever do an unbiased and bi-partisan investigation into it).

You asked, now you know. Now I'm done w/ this. Sayonara ...

13. D Robb
     (12/6/2017 11:01:05 AM)
     Message ID #294825

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The military respected her as Sec State. Heads of State respected her. Way different story now.

Message edited by user at 12/6/2017 11:03:30 AM

14. Noel Meyer
     (12/6/2017 11:00:16 AM)
     Message ID #294831

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Interesting.

Trump wants to step in and make Jerusalem the capital of Israel where Congress has already said the American Embassy would be located.

Bannon is campaigning for Moore. Bannon calls Moore's election a religious war where Alabama values will be taken to Washington. So why do you need to be concerned? Perhaps I don't want to follow 'Alabama values' on a NATIONAL LEVEL.

Thank-you Republicans for selling out to Bannon and supporting child molester be on the ticket to the Senate.

15. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/6/2017 10:50:08 AM)
     Message ID #294832

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That's the problem with crying 'wolf!' every other day.

No one believes you any Moore.

16. M Bathurst
     (12/7/2017 9:39:56 AM)
     Message ID #294836

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"No one believes you any Moore."

I like the use of words (not really a pun; but, similar) - very creative.

17. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 9:33:58 AM)
     Message ID #294835

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Noel,

Now you know better because you've been around here long enough to.

I've never made it a secret that I'm a RINO, not a Repugnican and that means I'm a right-leaning IDEPENDENT.

So don't go lumping me into the same pot w/ them Repugnicants.

Therefore now that we've gotten that settled (yet again), what's your question, errr beef????

18. Domenick Aulozzi CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 9:31:52 AM)
     Message ID #294851

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Trump wants to step in and make Jerusalem the capital of Israel where Congress has already said the American Embassy would be located.

Noel, your ignorance is showing again. The president of the United States does not determine what city is the capital of any sovereign country. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel because that is what the people of Israel determined almost 70 years ago.

Trump simply formally acknowledged what Congress said 20 years ago, that the United States recognizes that Israel says it's capital is Jerusalem.

19. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 8:51:35 AM)
     Message ID #294853

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Hi Domenick,

I'm not gonna dispute anything you've said as that's pretty much between you and Noel, but I will say the following ...


While Trump may have "simply formally acknowledged what Congress said 20 years ago", it has at the very least caused some of the Arab Mideast to call for a new Intifada (see the link).

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/12/07/hamas-leader-calls-new-intifada-after-trumps-jerusalem-move/929806001/?csp=dailybriefing

Now the questions will quickly become:
  • How many, if any, others in the Arab Mideast will sign on to it?; and
  • Regardless of whether they do or not, then how much new/more bloodshed have his actions caused?

However much occurs, if any, will be on HIS head and hands and regardless of that, I suspect he has done the actual Mideast Peace Process no favors, but I could be wrong. Only time will tell the tale. I just hope he doesn't get us into yet another war: NK looming and now the ME????? Given "Old BoneSpur" never wore "the uniform" he leaves quite a bit to be desired when it comes to Int'l Relations and Military Conflicts. The vast majority of what he has to offer comes from a foul wind in his wake.

The Mideast Peace Process is certainly no easy nut to crack and I'm also no expert on it as that arena is above my paygrade, but at least I'm aware of my limitations. He hasn't got the first clue.

JM2c

Message edited by user at 12/7/2017 9:13:44 AM

20. M Bathurst
     (12/6/2017 6:52:35 PM)
     Message ID #294871

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So what? If the Arab world wanted peace it would happen. It has been put on a platter several times for them - only to reject it.

Moving to recognize Jeursalem as the capital city of Israel is a move to reality.

21. Noel Meyer
     (12/6/2017 10:53:11 AM)
     Message ID #294877

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"So what? If the Arab world wanted peace it would happen."

If Chicago wanted peace it would happen? But it doesn't so does that make the Arab world as bad as Chicago or is there another factor occurring?

If American politics wanted peace or even civility, it would happen? But it doesn't so does that make the Arab world as bad as American politics or is American politics as bad as the Arab world or are there other factors occurring?

If America wanted to rebuild its infrastructure it would happen but it doesn't so why does that happen? Does America like to spend billions and trillions more on war than helping to rebuild from hurricanes or from giving the rich tax cuts instead of health care for the needy?

M Bathurst-
Was that peace platter what others were willing to give to get peace or was that peace platter what the Palestinians needed before peace was possible?

22. M Bathurst
     (12/7/2017 3:56:56 PM)
     Message ID #294878

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Your statements are simply silly; and, not related to my post.

Your last question is simply an attempt to misdirect the discussion. You seem to have excess time on your hands - do the research on the offers given to them; which they have rejected - and look for what they have requested. Reasonable to you?

23. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 11:49:14 AM)
     Message ID #294881

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While it may sound as if I'm disagreeing, I'm really not. I just don't particularly care for the damn politicos and their eternal "Keep trying the same solution to a given problem and expecting a different solution" and we both know what that is the definition of.

So while I don't care for Trump or his modus operandi, I suspect it may turn out to be better than what's been going on before. I'll hunker down in my foxhole and wait to see what happens.

24. Noel Meyer
     (12/7/2017 10:54:16 AM)
     Message ID #294854

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Domenick Aulozzi-

Trump recognized the Israeli claim that Jerusalem is their capital.

Trump talked to Taiwan after the election in ignorance or defiance to America's ONE CHINA policy.

"Noel, your ignorance is showing again. The president of the United States does not determine what city is the capital of any sovereign country. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel because that is what the people of Israel determined almost 70 years ago."

Domenick - YOUR IGNORANCE is showing. Just because a nation decides anything means nothing if the more powerful nations do not recognize the legitimacy of those decisions.

For years, DIPLOMACY mandated a policy by the US of not recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital so that peace in the Middle East might be attained.

For years, REALITY dictated a ONE CHINA policy by the US towards recognizing Taiwan now that mainland China, nuclear China made defending Taiwan against mainland China too expensive and dangerous.

The US does not recognize mainland China's claims of sovereignty in the South China sea regardless of what mainland China claims or has determined.

So pounce away, twist and attack the messenger if you wish, I find such delusions as yours amusing were it not leading this nation to defeat and oblivion.

25. D Robb
     (12/6/2017 11:41:56 AM)
     Message ID #294855

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No, it is your ignorance showing. Under international law, Israel has no claim to the occupied territories, including Jerusalem. Neither the UN nor the EU nor most of the rest of the world recognizes Israel's claim. It is all supposed to be negotiated as part of a land for peace deal with the Arab nation's and Palestinians. No good will come of it, except to further isolate and marginalize both the US and Israel.

26. Noel Meyer
     (12/8/2017 12:48:03 AM)
     Message ID #294856

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"Noel, your ignorance is showing again. The president of the United States does not determine what city is the capital of any sovereign country. Jerusalem is the capital of Israel because that is what the people of Israel determined almost 70 years ago."

Funny how you completely ignore the fact that the Palestinians determined Jerusalem was the capital of their nation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp40Uztk3bg

Trump's decision (in his own words)that HE determined it was time to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. Turkey, the Pope, France and other nations said was wrong.

27. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 7:11:27 PM)
     Message ID #294858

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Under the Constitution, the President has exclusive authority to recognize foreign sovereignty over territory.

Under that authority, President Clinton refused to sign the Jerusalem Embassy Act passed by Congress in 1995. Donald Trump is now President, and that authority is entirely his.

Jerusalem is not the Capitol of Palestine, it is the Capitol of Israel... in which the tongue-in-cheek State of Palestine and the Jewish occupied territories co-exist.

It is a political act designed to signal that the idea of a separate Palestinian State is no longer on the table. Rightfully so... since it never succeeded in moving the Arabs to agree to a just resolution in the area. Why should they? America, Israel and others are paying all of their bills.

28. Noel Meyer
     (12/7/2017 12:05:39 PM)
     Message ID #294859

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Robert -
"Under the Constitution, the President has exclusive authority to recognize foreign sovereignty over territory."

Then I hope you have faith in Trump's instincts when he pisses Mainland China off by having conversations and recognizing Taiwan.

The President also has the ability to denounce ultra right white supremacy and racism, something he was reluctant to do in Charlotte.

Russia, China, France, Germany, Turkey and other nations argued against Trump's EXCLUSIVE AUTHORITY decision but then in this troubled time who needs the other powerful powers support in putting out terrorism?

Fools go where angels fear to tread. Trump angers and alienates OUR allies, antagonizes OUR enemies and generally feels entitled to do just what-ever he feels like because his life of entitlement and ignorance of how the national and international political world operates.

"It is a political act designed to signal that the idea of a separate Palestinian State is no longer on the table. Rightfully so"

YOUR OPINION. Wonder what Tillerson thinks. Other world leaders give this political act an "F".

How will the Israelis react and how will American civilians react when 'reaction' to this stupid political act sparks increased violence?

So under Trump America faces a possible nuclear war which only China can prevent from North Korea and an eruption of violence in the oil rich Middle East which is in our trust of Netanyahu and his political agenda in Israel.

I thought it was 'America first' not 'America becoming the bit$h of the crazies in this world.

29. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 11:18:29 AM)
     Message ID #294860

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You needn't hope. I trust President Trump's instincts over yours.

30. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 7:23:40 PM)
     Message ID #294862

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My generation will never solve Mideast peace in that region regarding Israel.

We failed.

25 to 35 years of futility, hatred, bombings, death.

The only country in the region with a western style democracy, where it's people are prosperous. Women are free, human rights are respected.

Perhaps the next generation, or perhaps the generation after that.

Every President pledged to do this going back to Clinton, they all failed. We failed.

Time to move on and be done with it.

31. D James
     (12/7/2017 5:22:09 PM)
     Message ID #294863

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The last time I looked there is not nor has there ever been a "nation" of Palestine. The modern "Palestine" is a figment of the demented and murderous mind of one Yassir Arafat, an Egyptian who was expelled from his native land for incitement to violence. Israel took Jerusalem in its entirety via force of arms from Jordan during the 67 War. The Islamists had chosen to use many of the Jewish and Christian Holy sites as urinals and worse.

The President is doing what was promised by Boy Clinton in the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capitol, and followed by GWB, and Barry Soetoro who all did nothing. Trump is spot on correct. An analogy: would the US have its Embassy to the UK in Nottingham or Liverpool when the national capitol is London? Having the USEMB to Israel in Tel Aviv merely conveniences the State Dept party goers who love the TA night life but will actually be in more austere surrounding in Jerusalem. And by the way, Jerusalem is not mentioned , even once, In the Koran. So much for it being the "4th Holiest City" to that cult that beheads c/o the Prophet on the White Horse.

32. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 12:22:14 PM)
     Message ID #294864

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Palestine is a legal entity (though exactly what kind of entity is up in the air) - but Jerusalem in not a legal part of it.

33. D Robb
     (12/7/2017 11:45:33 AM)
     Message ID #294865

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Perhaps in your alternative facts universe, but not in the real world. The best solution would be to make Jerusalem and open city as part of a peace treaty. This illegal and unilateral action will please right wing nuts, especially Evangelicals who believe it is necessary for the end times. American Jews don't support it or Netanyahu.
It just makes the US more unimportant and marginalized

34. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/7/2017 11:34:15 AM)
     Message ID #294866

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Lol. Congrats. You managed a sentence full of words that don't contain a single letter of truth.

Let us in on your secret... are you the dumbest person in the world... or just the most dishonest???

(My guest is BOTH.)

35. D James
     (12/7/2017 12:26:02 PM)
     Message ID #294873

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Not a "nation". Strictly a spot on the map hosting various marauder tribes.
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