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Do you think it's more effective to be for or against something or someone?

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1. Noel Meyer
     (12/30/2017 11:07:42 AM)
     Message ID #295865

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"Strategic decisions or choices have to be made without emotion, tactical reactions are all emotional. We have seen that played out with the never-Trump movement."

Thomas, ever hear of "Black Lives Matter"?
Ever hear of "Dunkirk"?
Ever hear of or see demonstrations in The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989?

Ever hear 'don't corner a wounded animal without leaving it a way out'?

You are confusing 'business decisions' with normal human reactions, your are confusing logic with emotions like 'unfairness' or 'fear' or 'need'.

Do the terrorists who are such brutal killers make decisions without emotion?

"Being "for" or "against" is irrelevant. Making choices is simply logic, pros v. cons, cost v. benefit"

Please explain the Trump decisions of a tax cut for the rich when the deficit is already at $20 TRILLION.

Please explain the Republican hated of Hillary Clinton when even multiple Republican investigations could not prove criminal actions.

Please explain the arrogance Trump has shown in not releasing his tax returns when every other presidential candidate has done so or show why he has kept his business interests as conflicts of interest (Trump will make $11 million each year off the tax cut bill).

" The dynamics of your environment are constantly changing, something you cannot control, but you can adapt and always look to see what is coming."

Explain Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq over WMD
Explain Trump's decision to support bigotry and racism of white supremacists.

Thomas YOU are trying to paint a pig in a better light.

2. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 1:49:39 PM)
     Message ID #295871

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your or you're?

All emotional rants M.

It's all business....not personal, need to know and separate the difference.

It's like the first car you bought, that was all love. The last car you bought was all logic.

3. Noel Meyer
     (12/30/2017 1:10:21 PM)
     Message ID #295897

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"It's all business....not personal, need to know and separate the difference."

1. Republican position on Hillary Clinton?
a. Personal, personal hatred not of her skills or experience but of her personally
b. Republican position of "lock her up" during the campaign was totally emotional since neither the Republicans nor the FBI found her guilty of anything.

2. Roy Moore's campaign in Alabama?
a. Reaction to a pedophile for the US Senate was emotional, not business

3. Republican tax bill, Republican repeal and replace (NOT) of Obama-care, Trump Muslim bans, all forms of PERSONAL Republican legislation to their deplorable base.

4. DACA, CHIP, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security all are being handled as Republican emotional responses to the extremes of the base not as 'business' decisions, not as issues for the good of the nation.

5. The party of not just "NO", but of "HELL NO" flew against all logic and common sense--
a. The closing down of the government by the Tea Party
b. Making Obama a 'one term president'
c. Failing an up or down vote on Obama's Supreme Court nominee

6. Someone mentioned "Consistency" in positions, well, serial murderers are consistent, still does not make them good or right. In fact, its the very definition of being for or against things in ALWAYS being for some things and against other things (like always for defense or always against social programs, like being for tax cuts for the wealthy and obfuscation for the middle class)

7. Do you think it's more effective to be for or against something or someone?
Republicans have for eight years been the party of "NO" and now only now want Democrat help to spend money running up the debt. Democrats have learned from the Republicans for all those years the power of just saying NO.

8. This forum question is not about compromise, its an opportunity to defend a pessimistic view of being against something or an optimistic view of being for something. What I marveled at was how the usual suspects seem to avoid defending their personal attacks against who is posting instead of promoting their views and their values and their logic (NOT).

Message edited by user at 12/30/2017 1:12:45 PM

4. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 6:47:30 PM)
     Message ID #295873

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He says that they are strategic decisions, but cannot explain any of them because they were all dumb, emotional pandering to his ignorant base.

5. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 3:25:22 PM)
     Message ID #295874

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Not quite... you are playing checkers, President Trump is playing Chess, he can predict your next 2-3 moves. President Obama spent 8 years putting out fires, that is when he wasn't fundraising.

6. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 3:53:22 PM)
     Message ID #295875

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Post something credible that supports your ridiculous statement. trump is totally clueless. He has empowered China and Russia, and driven Germany and the UK away.

7. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 3:38:59 PM)
     Message ID #295877

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Obama stood at 44% after his first year. He dropped to 40% in the fall.

https://www.theatlas.com/charts/r1w3hhRUe

Trump currently stands at 40%.

https://qz.com/889644/obamas-approval-rating-from-his-first-day-to-his-last-in-charts/

You can play with the words to make this into either a yes or a no... the fact is - they are pretty much in the same neighborhood.

8. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 7:37:36 PM)
     Message ID #295880

This message is in response to Robert Fahrbach ( message id #295877 )  Back To All Messages

Robert, the numbers are clear, and they clearly show you are wrong. From my previously cited article: "The cleanest comparison between the approval ratings of the two presidents is Gallup's daily tracking polls, which are released as both three-day rolling averages and weekly averages. The three-day averages released on December 28, 2009 -- the day Trump cited in his tweet -- showed 51% approval for Obama with 43% disapproval. On December 28 of this year, Gallup released a three-day average showing 38% approval for Trump with 56% disapproval."

9. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 4:08:12 PM)
     Message ID #295881

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Great word pile... but numbers are numbers and D. Robb is D. Robb.

10. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 7:50:49 PM)
     Message ID #295882

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Right Robert, and the numbers tell the tale. The bone spur guy has had approvals below 50% since the start of his presidency and has sunk to less than 40%. No way does that even come close to President Obama's approvals which grew and grew. President Obama left office with 2/3's of the nation approving of his job performance. Only in your alternative facts universe can trump be said to be 'equal' to President Obama.

11. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 5:33:44 PM)
     Message ID #295883

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Yes they do. I refer anyone interested to the numbers themselves.

12. Michael O'Neill
     (12/30/2017 4:25:55 PM)
     Message ID #295888

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Nice try, Trump is 12 points behind Obama at the same point.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

13. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/31/2017 12:09:45 AM)
     Message ID #295906

This message is in response to Michael O'Neill ( message id #295888 )  Back To All Messages

An old Trump poll???

Dec 30, 2017. Learn how to read... the chart is BELOW the poll itemization. I guess you libs are ALL idiots.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

14. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/30/2017 4:31:53 PM)
     Message ID #295901

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Oops!

Struck an emotion nerve again.

15. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 4:43:19 PM)
     Message ID #295902

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No, Thomas, aside from the fact that I am continually amazed at the extent that you and Robert can go to delude yourselves about trump's failures and his historically dismal poll numbers.

16. D Robb
     (12/30/2017 4:46:30 PM)
     Message ID #295876

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It has as much credibility as your claim that trump has caught up to President Obama in approval ratings. http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/politics/donald-trump-approval-rating/index.html
You really need to leave the dark zone and join the living.
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