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Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?

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1279. M Bathurst
     (12/17/2017 7:06:19 PM)
     Message ID #295318

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It is not disdain for the wage earner. I was an wage earner; then took some major risk and did my own thing. I learned a lot as a wage earner. I worked in major international accounting firms. While the pay is not bad; you are not paid great. So, the difference between what you might call the "correct" wage and what I earned; I called tuition in learning how to operate in the business world. I did not whine. Did not have the time.

However, most wage earners go to work on Monday morning at 8 am; work for 5 days or 40 hours, give or take a few. They go home on Friday; not worrying about much other than benefits and vacation. There is nothing wrong with that. That is a choice. I have worked 60-80 hours a week for over 40 years (and at one point went to law school near full time while working 70-90 hours a week). I saved like crazy; then went out on my own; first as a litigation/valuation consultant (always in demand and like Perry Mason - never lost a case). Then moved on to starting a company - creating over the years over 40 jobs.

You may believe there is a social contract on your SS/Medicare - but, the Supreme Court has held - nope. Congress can change it at anytime; and over the years, they have. In reality, it is a progressive Ponzi con. I don't want to take anything from you. Both SS/Medicare need reform if our children aren't going to be screwed. At one time there were 159 workers for each SS beneficiary (1940), in 1950 it was 16.5 to 1; today it is less than 3 to 1. Do the math. If the programs are going to move forward - we, you and me, need to give something up. Oh, and, I am covered by Medicare (an old guy) and still working 60+ hours a week. So, don't talk to me about greed. This is a government program; and, what the government gives; it can damn well take away. You would be wise to learn that.

1278. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/17/2017 6:56:33 PM)
     Message ID #295317

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Bingo

1277. M Bathurst
     (12/17/2017 6:51:23 PM)
     Message ID #295316

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Bingo.

1276. D Robb
     (12/17/2017 6:32:31 PM)
     Message ID #295315

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trump’s call for a military buildup will face a challenge in the Congress. A 2011 law called the Budget Control Act caps the base defense budget this year at $549 billion, the bone spur guy asked for $603 billion. That would not be enough to pursue the military buildup the self-proclaimed military expert outlined during the campaign: growing the Navy from 274 ships to 350, adding another 60,000 soldiers to the Army and giving the Air Force at least 100 more combat aircraft.
The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) signed into law this week authorizes nearly $700 billion in defense spending for the Pentagon and the Department of Energy’s nuclear weapons programs. That’s broken down into $626.4 billion for the base defense budget and $65.7 billion for a war fund known as the Overseas Contingency Operations (OCO) account.
Experts say it’s unlikely the final budget deal will be that high.
Between the needs for disaster recovery (3 huge disasters already), the need for an infrastructure bill, and the pressure on entitlements – trump promised to protect Social Security and Medicare – the GOP will regret this tax “reform” bill.

1275. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/17/2017 6:23:33 PM)
     Message ID #295314

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A creative theft is still a theft and pointing that out is not whining it is calling them on their crap! Seems to me you resent being called on your crap, eh?

1274. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/17/2017 6:18:59 PM)
     Message ID #295313

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Your disdain for the wage earner is noted you elitist puke. You don't strike me as the type of guy who has any admiration for hard work, more like the guy who sweats others, soft and flabby.

I've earned mine, not changed the rules to steal from others. I paid into Social Security and Medicare for over 40 years because there was a social contract. You're the jackass that wants to take it.

1273. Andy White CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (12/17/2017 6:14:41 PM)
     Message ID #295312

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When I think back to elementary school, I remember the kids who were creative and could have a fun time with just about anything.

And, I remember the whiners whose answer to most everything was, "it's not fair."


1272. D Robb
     (12/17/2017 6:10:12 PM)
     Message ID #295311

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trumpites love his racism, bigotry, and misogyny, but young people don’t. Ohio Gov. John Kasich thinks it will be a back problem for the GOP in the mid-terms and an even bigger problem in the future. "I look at Alabama and I say people are not happy with us being small, angry and narrow," the Republican told NBC's Meet the Press. "They're starting to say 'no." He didn’t mention it, but trump has awakened and energized women and minorities, too.

1271. D Robb
     (12/17/2017 5:44:23 PM)
     Message ID #295310

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The UN Security Council is discussing adopting a resolution voiding trump’s declaration that Jerusalem is Israel’s capitol. While the US can veto such a resolution the optics would be horrible with 14 of 15 Security Council members voting against the US. All that is needed for trump to come to the UN and bang his shoe on the desk, ala Nikita Khrushchev.

1270. M Bathurst
     (12/17/2017 5:41:23 PM)
     Message ID #295309

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You are only the "great unwashed" in your mind; not mine.

I find it funny that a basic "wage slave" (someone who was nothing more than an employee for their career) attacks those that actually made an investment in the community with their own "after-tax" earnings and "blood, sweat & tears" to create jobs; to grow the economy.

Stupid and greedy - looking in the mirror yet again. Greed is taking something not earned - that is your game; not mine.
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