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Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?

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1. D Robb
     (11/22/2017 6:03:16 PM)
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No corporation pays the full corporate tax rate. But nice try.

2. M Bathurst
     (11/22/2017 7:57:56 PM)
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What is your point? Totally, not relevant.

When making investment decisions, including where to invest; marginal tax rates are important.

3. D Robb
     (11/22/2017 8:03:53 PM)
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My point, dumby, is that your point that US corporate tax rates are too high is not true. No corporation pays the full tax rate.

4. M Bathurst
     (11/22/2017 8:10:04 PM)
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Again, not relevant. It is the comparison between our marginal rates and the remainder of the other industrialized countries.

Because you think something is not true is simply not relevant either.

5. D Robb
     (11/22/2017 8:14:47 PM)
     Message ID #294139

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US Corporations are doing fine. They don't need a reduction in tax rates, especially at nearly full employment. What the country needs is an infrastructure program, a cut in defense spending, and an increase in tax rates for the richest Americans.

6. M Bathurst
     (11/22/2017 8:12:58 PM)
     Message ID #294141

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You really are a communist and terrorist.

You don't get it; never will. Sad to be you.

You want jobs? You want economic growth?

Cut defense - what an moron. It is one of the few things the Federal government is authorized to do by the Constitution. I gather you have forgotten your oath as a military officer.

I am sure your parents loved your brother.

7. D Robb
     (11/22/2017 8:18:45 PM)
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I spent nearly 28 years in DOD before I retired, and have worked as a consultant since. I understand defense. What is your background? Aside from throwing out terms like communist and terrorist, what have you done to defend the nation and constitution?

8. M Bathurst
     (11/22/2017 8:16:12 PM)
     Message ID #294180

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I am not sure you understand anything.

Every since you arrived; you have put forth nothing but what was handed to you - propaganda. Your agenda is to bludgeon everyone here to your way of thinking. Unfortunately for you and your handlers; there are too many intelligent folks here to buy what you are selling.

You post on everything as if you are an expert on everything. But, the reality is you are simply "stealing" your thoughts/words from someone else. For a long time, you simply failed to attribute your postings to the original author(s); then for awhile you attempted to provide attribution - but, now you have reverted to the role of word thief.

And, your responses are generally verbose, incorrect and too rapid (thus showing the lack of original thought) - no way you are doing your own thinking and writing. Then, through a series of posts (generally stolen from some progressive propaganda machine like the NYT, Daily Kos, etc.), you introduce your next stream of attack on whatever you have been given that day to pontificate upon.

Even when proven wrong, you have never backed down - you, God effing Robb is always correct. Sorry, but you are not.

As for your 28 years in the DOD and later working as a consultant - who gives a flying flipping "f". It doesn't take a defense expert to know that one function specially set forth for the Federal government by the Constitution is the military - the security of the USA. Is there waste and fraud in the military, sure. Should it be dealt with, sure. But, where is your call to deal with waste in fraud in many Federal government functions - not enumerated in the Constitution? Yes, the US outspends most of the rest of the world in terms of military; but, most of the world grossly under spends. Thus, leaving the US to, in a proactive manner, be the "cops" to the world. If not the US, who - China, Russia, Iran, North Korea or some other bad actor? Mr. Big Ears created a void in the security of the world; and, look who stepped in - a number of bad actors. WWII should have taught folks a lesson about being unprepared. And, in today's US society - if China or Russia were to take extremely aggressive steps involving the actual US - most of the folks like you would simply say - let them have it; no big deal. That is why you are terrorist/communist.

You want (actually demand it) respect for your military background and alleged knowledge of defense. But, you never give respect to anyone that has more knowledge in other areas. For example, I was the top Constitutional law student in my class; I have over 40 years in business, working as a tax CPA, tax attorney (in large firms and corporations) and now ran a multiple million company I built from ground zero. And, you want to lecture me on Con Law and taxes; really? The main players here give you zero respect because (i) you give none to anyone - one the most disrespectful folks I have had the mis-pleasure to be exposed to (and trust me that takes some work when you have been at the negotiation table in billion dollar deals with big firm jerk attorneys) (ii) you simply have given none of us a reason to respect you - by character or knowledge.

As for your time at the DOD; as a taxpayer - I want a refund of my taxes - we did not get value for your pay.

9. D Robb
     (11/22/2017 8:35:44 PM)
     Message ID #294181

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Your inability to offer anything useful to this forum is legendary. The only thing you and your co-posters is good at is attacking other posters. This is supposed to be a subject you know something about. I respect IDEAS and sound, factual arguments. Got any sound, factual arguments to offer on the subject of the forum: "Do you think that the Trump Tax plan will help the middle class?"

10. D Robb
     (11/22/2017 8:33:52 PM)
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You need to take a look at the Federal budget. If you are going to solve the problem of the deficit the only place you can significantly reduce the budget is Social Security, Medicare, and Defense. The little hands guy has put the country at risk by reducing the State Department budget, and he wants to increase defense spending when we already spend more than the next 10 nations combined. I really don't care what you and your nasty cohorts think.
The fact that you are constantly reduced to posting insults instead of FACTs says it all. You are both mentally and socially deficient.

11. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/24/2017 6:49:42 PM)
     Message ID #294185

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These "cuts" are not about budget deficits.

Commerce has 19,000 employees, can you explain what they do?

Department of Labor has thousands filing out reports that were commissioned in the sixties, no one told them to stop.

Flint, MI had three levels of Government fail them when the City Council decided to switch the supplier due to costs. Local, State, and Federal. The problem still exists with lead levels in the corrosive water.

What happens when government fails? It get rewarded. Bigger budgets.


Were you bounced from the Army due to passive aggressive behavior? They don't like that in the military, line of command and all that.

The Federal Budget is skewed by the population. Too many takers due to useless programs and no population planning.

75 million Americans were born between 1954 and 1964. That demographic has an extraordinary impact upon the Federal Budget.

40 million have emigrated to the US since 1995. That also has an extraordinary impact upon the Federal Budget.

(I noticed you left out Medicaid from your draconian cuts)

Mr. Robb, it's a Holiday Weekend, take some time to reflect, give it a rest for a few days.

12. D Robb
     (11/25/2017 9:04:54 AM)
     Message ID #294186

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I was not advocating cuts to Social Security or Medicare. I was suggesting they should be means tested. The Social Security tax cap on earnings should be eliminated and all earnings subject to tax as part of your simplification of the tax code.
Clearly, our defense investments are not giving us what we are paying for. The Navy is an example, but when the services have to give waivers for mental health and criminal convictions to get recruits you know something is wrong.
Your prejudices are showing.

13. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/25/2017 6:19:48 AM)
     Message ID #294191

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Paul Ryan attempted a means test for Medicare, it was based upon a voucher system

It was soundly rejected and ridiculed by the Liberals.

You folks have no idea what you want. You want other people to pay half your taxes.

How about we send a voucher to Mr. Robb, and he can buy his own healthcare plan? Based upon his age, health condition, and geography? We'll attach a cola, but he will need to shop around a little, and perhaps use a little prudence when spending his medical dollars?

Why should we provide him with a premium plan with an open network?

Raise taxes to balance the budget?

There is always something to spend money on, from free healthcare to enhanced public pension benefits. Take a good look at NJ and CT. Prime examples of what happens. And the cure is more tax revenue?

14. D Robb
     (11/24/2017 7:04:36 PM)
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I am lucky enough to have an excellent health care plan, and don't need vouchers. The reality that single payer is so successful in European countries that they can provide better health care at one half to one third the cost per patient per year than we do in the US continues to escape you?

15. D Robb
     (11/24/2017 6:54:12 PM)
     Message ID #294195

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Explain how reducing revenue and blowing up the deficit further is going to be helpful to any but the uber rich.

16. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/26/2017 4:50:30 AM)
     Message ID #294196

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you are assuming a few things:

Growth of the economy will remain as such under Obamanomics

Cutting the tax rate has historically increase revenue into the US Treasury

The proposed tax reform does not benefit the wealthy

17. D Robb
     (11/25/2017 5:16:53 PM)
     Message ID #294197

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You could not be more wrong. Cutting taxes has ALWAYS increased the deficit. No analysis of this tax cut comes to any conclusion but that it favors the rich. Even with dynamic scoring, nobody predicts this tax cut will result in anything but at least a $1.5 trillion increase to the deficit.

18. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/25/2017 6:49:00 AM)
     Message ID #294198

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Where are you getting your facts? Everything you claim is disputed by the vast majority of economist. http://snips.ly/65U The Market Watch Trump tax calculator reveals I'll pay more. http://snips.ly/19H

Anyone who believes this Trump Senate or House tax cuts will benefit the middle class, the economy, and not the wealthy probably also believes in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus and, that man-made Global Warming is a hoax made up by China.

You can't fix stupid!

19. D Robb
     (11/26/2017 6:38:47 AM)
     Message ID #294199

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Rick, flat out lying or stupid? It's a toss up.

20. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/25/2017 8:18:27 AM)
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D, I would argue the two are not mutually exclusive.

21. D Robb
     (11/25/2017 10:00:48 AM)
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You have a point. I concede.

22. Noel Meyer
     (11/25/2017 3:41:22 PM)
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Thomas C. a.k.a. Hawk-

"There is always something to spend money on, from free healthcare to enhanced public pension benefits."

1. Paying for hurricane rebuilding in Texas.

2. Paying for hurricane rebuilding in Florida.

3. Paying for hurricane rebuilding in Puerto Rico.

4. Paying for wild fire rebuilding in California and most of the West.

5. Paying for DEFENSE in Afghanistan, like bribing al Qada and the Taliban NOT to keep fighting there.

6. Paying for infrastructure rebuilding in Flint, Michigan and other cities across the nation.

7. Paying for repair on existing roads and bridges much less the new ones needed as the population exceeds 310 million

8. Don't even mention paying to explore space, land on the Moon or Mars.

9. Don't even mention solving Zika, police abuse of power, illegal migration.

a. Single parent housewives have to prioritize but not Congress. The Republican Congress of saying "hell no"

b. A coherent strategy of where this nation is going and not the daily whims of a madman or the campaign promises of a despot.

c. Americans here at home who can not afford BIG PHARMA while American pharmacies sell those same drugs abroad for far less

d. Veterans who are not only getting the help that WAS PROMISED but are homeless and considered a drain on the system.

Once upon a time, Americans did what was right not because it was easy but because it was hard and the right thing to do. Now we as a nation can not even agree on what is news or what is true or what American values like protecting women are.

23. D Robb
     (11/25/2017 11:48:43 AM)
     Message ID #294203

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Excellent post. We have a lot of issues that need attention, and what's the priority of this Congress? Tax cuts for the rich

24. Joseph Lischka CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/25/2017 11:37:44 AM)
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How dare you criticize M. Can't you see that he is a savant in his own mind? More like an idiot savant. And his KSAs are magnificently high, whatever those are.

25. D James
     (11/25/2017 3:55:29 PM)
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POd much? You certainly express yourself well.

26. M Bathurst
     (11/25/2017 12:09:25 PM)
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Not POd, just tired of his pure bullsh!t. He is basically an effing communist; hates everything here and loves everything else where. Every where has better health care, the parliamentary system, etc. - so effing move there.

He is a damn cancer; and, his butt kissers aren't much better.

27. D James
     (11/25/2017 1:42:21 PM)
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I've also questioned why he simply doesn't leave but he is actually in a virtual parasite mode that cannot be improved. Lives in a dying state that unfortunately vomits forth its refugees into places like mine that are being turned blue from those deadbeats bringing their goofiness with them. Oh well.

28. Scott Walker
     (11/25/2017 12:46:17 PM)
     Message ID #294190

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Good post M , always an enjoyment to read..

Keep the up the good efforts.

29. D Robb
     (11/25/2017 2:27:52 PM)
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Your need to use emojis is an example of your inability to carry on an intelligent, fact-base discussion. Perhaps, you need to take your slippers and retire?

30. M Bathurst
     (11/25/2017 2:38:54 PM)
     Message ID #294142

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I use emojis because you have shown time after time you don't understand English. Since I cannot post pictures, emojis are the next best thing.

Take the corporate tax rate conversation; talk with a CPA friend (major assumption on my part that you might have a friend - my guess is your dog would pee on you and bite you). He/she will tell you the error of your ways.

31. D Robb
     (11/25/2017 2:40:39 PM)
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No, you use emojis because you have nothing factual, pertinent, or interesting to offer the discussion. You are a pompous @&&
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