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1. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 10:12:49 AM)
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Murdering millions of people because you are frightened? You trumpites want to out Hitler, Hitler and Stalin?

2. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 10:16:26 AM)
     Message ID #294410

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No. It is more like Patricia said... a matter of protecting your family.

Fright and cowardice is associated with the failure to act, not with the courage to act when it is warranted.

3. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 10:21:27 AM)
     Message ID #294412

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International law does not have a stand your ground clause, Robert. What you are so casually suggesting the country do is a war crime, and would probably provoke a nuclear war.
There are multiple reasons that no nuclear nation has ever used nuclear weapons against another nuclear nation. There are multiple reasons why the US policy is that nuclear weapons are only for deterrence.
Your ignorance is showing.

4. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 11:16:46 AM)
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My ignorance? Lol.

Mutually assured destruction requires that BOTH belligerents subscribe to it.

If one does not... it is simply a fart in the wind.

5. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 10:41:57 AM)
     Message ID #294415

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Your childish, trumpian view of the world reveals your ignorance of national defense policy and international law, as well as your amoral views. The US cannot murder millions of N Koreans because you are afraid for your family. The US is not the Philippines. If you subscribe to that you should move to the Philippines.

6. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 11:32:08 AM)
     Message ID #294417

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If you would like to understand the complex problem that is N Korea I recommend you read this article from Foreign Policy: http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/11/28/china-should-send-30000-troops-into-north-korea-symmetrical-reassurance

China Should Send 30,000 Troops Into North Korea
The only way to stand down from a nuclear confrontation is to reassure Kim Jong Un that the United States won’t — and can’t — invade.
By Alton Frye | November 28, 2017, 4:46 PM

7. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 11:28:08 AM)
     Message ID #294421

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It appears that trump's bluster towards and bullying of N Korea is solely for his ignorant, shrinking base. Unfortunately, N Korea might not understand that. BEIJING — President Trump pledged Wednesday that “additional major sanctions” would be imposed on North Korea after Pyongyang's latest intercontinental missile test.

8. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 11:21:47 AM)
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No. The element of surprise is crucial to the attack. They are wide awake right now following their latest test. The right strategy is to put them back to sleep and erase them when they least expect it.

9. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 11:04:59 AM)
     Message ID #294428

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No, neither you nor trump really understand the danger inherent in his juvenile tweets and insults. The US has gone from being the leader of the free world to being an object of ridicule, distain, and concern. It is very sad.

10. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 10:55:31 AM)
     Message ID #294430

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Here's a hanky...

11. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:07:55 PM)
     Message ID #294431

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You do realize in a nuclear exchange the radioactive fall out travels on the winds around the world or don't you?

12. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:32:30 PM)
     Message ID #294432

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I see. So your solution is to allow them to attack us because it will result in only half of the fallout.

Great strategy. I wish NK would adopt it.

13. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 12:14:37 PM)
     Message ID #294433

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Robert, if you took a little time to educate yourself and think about problems you wouldn't have to embarrass yourself with this adolescent posts, or, aren't you embarrassed?

14. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:35:26 PM)
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Why? You haven't taken any - and it doesn't keep you from being such a know it all.

15. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:30:54 PM)
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In a nuclear exchange there are no winners.

16. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:47:38 PM)
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Nope. But in a unilateral attack there may be. (...and it would be a good idea to have it before they are war capable.)

17. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 12:43:30 PM)
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History doesn't support your thesis. There were those that wanted to have a war with Russia before they got the bomb, and then those that wanted to use nuclear weapons against China to prevent them from getting the bomb, and then those that invade Iraq because they thought Saddam had WMD. How did that work out?

18. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:56:15 PM)
     Message ID #294440

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Huh? Damn...I didn't even know we nuked them. I thought we only nuked Japan. How did that work out?

(in the future... please stop proving my case... it spoils the fun.)

19. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 12:53:27 PM)
     Message ID #294449

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GWB and the neocons created the present mess in the ME. Even your hero, the bone spur guy, understands that.
Your inability to even remember what unit you were assigned to during your time in the Army says everything I need to know about how serious you were and how committed you were to soldiering. If you couldn't even commit to that, it is clear that you have little interest or knowledge of national defense policy.

Message edited by user at 11/29/2017 12:56:48 PM

20. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:52:41 PM)
     Message ID #294451

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Did I say I was serious about soldiering? At 18, the only thing I was serious about was sex. (...and let me affirm that GWB was every bit as bad a President as Obama. They both worked for the same elite.)

21. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 1:14:16 PM)
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Doesn't matter, same problem, fallout travels on the wind and circulates the entire globe. You nuke your enemy and a week later you've nuked yourself and ever other living thing on the planet. That's why Mao Zedong called nuclear weapons a "paper tiger".

Not to mention the small detail that NK borders SK, Russia and China. I'm sure they're not keen on exploding nukes on their borders.

I honestly cannot fathom how you and your buddy Trump think or, even that you do.

Message edited by user at 11/29/2017 1:15:58 PM

22. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 1:02:00 PM)
     Message ID #294444

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Lol. I admire the way you summarily brush aside huge complex issues that you don't really know much about... and routinely declare them in your favor.

Saves a lot of time.

23. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 12:59:43 PM)
     Message ID #294452

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Summarily dismiss complex issues, naw...., that's more yours and Trump's bailiwick. Without understanding the consequences of uses nuclear weapons, you two are all for it. It seems you two are clueless about nuclear weapons and their consequences.

Nuclear weapons use is the last not the first thing that should come to mind when resolving conflict. Quiet robust diplomacy coupled with sanctions, which apparently Trump and you have rejected, appears to me the proper course.

Threatening a paranoid tyrant convinced that the US is trying to do him in has proven counter-productive. This idiotic course will not cause NK to stand down but may hastens the unthinkable. Trumps a light-weight, egomaniacal, real estate salesman who is only president now due to the Putin and Russian interference. He knows next to nothing about just about everything. Your kind of guy, no doubt.

24. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 1:20:47 PM)
     Message ID #294454

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Oh. It's us. And I thought it was you. Shame on me.

Message edited by user at 11/29/2017 1:21:23 PM

25. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 1:04:06 PM)
     Message ID #294437

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You are wasting your time. the bone spur guy avoided service, and Robert spent his at Fort Belvoir supporting training and defending the Pentagon from the protestors. Neither has any idea of how useless and destructive wars are. Just another rat hole to pour money into instead of doing something useful with it by helping Americans get educated or to get health care, or to fix our crumbling infrastructure, or to repair the damage from our recent disasters.

Message edited by user at 11/29/2017 1:05:38 PM

26. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/29/2017 2:07:43 PM)
     Message ID #294438

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You may be right. You may have learned something from shooting innocent, peaceful Vietnamese that I have not experienced.

27. Noel Meyer
     (11/29/2017 1:33:05 PM)
     Message ID #294418

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D Robb-

"There are multiple reasons that no nuclear nation has ever used nuclear weapons against another nuclear nation. There are multiple reasons why the US policy is that nuclear weapons are only for deterrence."

1. I am not sure current U.S. military rules of engagement do not allow for an American FIRST STRIKE. I remember that under Obama a military review was underway to review American policy of "nuclear weapons are only for deterrence." The only result of that review was BOTH RUSSIA and the UNITED STATES announcing upgrading their aging nuclear defenses.

2.The recent oil spill of the Trans Canadian pipeline resulted in acres of American soil made unusable for farming PERIOD. Now using the experience of America's use of nukes on Japan the logarithmic damage, long term damage to America's land, infrastructure and population is not something understood by most Americans.

Nuclear war since the end of the COLD WAR has rested on the threat of a lone wolf military commander going crazy like in the display "FAIL SAFE" or some terrorist group smuggling inside the nation of a dirty bomb or any level of nuke.

Now we have Mr. Twitter-bully calling out a North Korean brute to see whose is bigger never realizing the cost of going too far. Think the $100 billion in hurricane rebuilding money was hard to find? Think of the never-ending cost of nuclear strike anywhere in the continental U.S.

BTW- what do you think the rest of the world will be doing once the first nuke is used against either nation? Old raccoon-boy will find out he and the way he has run this nation don't have as many friends as he thinks he has.

I wish Victor was here to describe the horrors of nuclear war. The radiation fall out from destroying North Korea on China, South Korea and Japan is a show stopper right up front.

28. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 2:25:23 PM)
     Message ID #294419

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The concept of not disavowing a nuclear first strike was useful in Europe during the Cold War. If the Russians and East Germans invade West Germany the threat that the US might escalate immediately to Nuclear weapons was a useful deterrent. However, that would be under circumstances where the US had already been attacked.
The idea of a preemptive US attack against N Korea is a totally different thing. Such an attack would violate international law and make the US leaders who ordered the attack war criminals.

29. D Robb
     (11/29/2017 1:43:22 PM)
     Message ID #294420

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The concept of not disavowing a nuclear first strike was useful in Europe during the Cold War. If the Russians and East Germans invade West Germany the threat that the US might escalate immediately to Nuclear weapons was a useful deterrent. However, that would be under circumstances where the US had already been attacked.
The idea of a preemptive US attack against N Korea is a totally different thing. Such an attack would violate international law and make the US leaders who ordered the attack war criminals.
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