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1. Noel Meyer
     (11/30/2017 10:59:13 AM)
     Message ID #294480

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White House Plans Tillerson Ouster From State Dept., to Be Replaced by Pompeo, Within Weeks

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/30/us/politics/state-department-tillerson-pompeo-trump.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

"WASHINGTON — The White House has developed a plan to force out Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson, whose relationship with President Trump has been strained, and replace him with Mike Pompeo, the C.I.A. director, perhaps within the next several weeks, senior administration officials said on Thursday.

Mr. Pompeo would be replaced at the C.I.A. by Senator Tom Cotton, a Republican from Arkansas who has been a key ally of the president on national security matters, according to the White House plan. Mr. Cotton has signaled that he would accept the job if offered, said the officials, who insisted on anonymity to discuss sensitive deliberations before decisions are announced.

It was not immediately clear whether Mr. Trump has given final approval to the plan, but he has been said to have soured on Mr. Tillerson and in general is ready to make a change at the State Department. John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, developed the transition plan and has discussed it with other officials.

Under his plan, the shake-up of the national security team would happen around the end of the year or shortly afterward. But for all of his public combativeness, Mr. Trump is notoriously reluctant to fire people, and it was not known if Mr. Tillerson had agreed to step down by then. Public disclosure of Mr. Kelly’s transition plan may be meant as a signal to the secretary that it is time to go.

At the same time, there was some concern in the White House about the appearance of a rush to the exits given that other senior officials may also leave in the early part of the new year. White House officials were debating whether it would be better to spread out any departures or just get them over with all at once."


Sounds like additional examples of "confusion" in Mr. Trump's mind.

2. D Robb
     (11/30/2017 11:23:54 AM)
     Message ID #294481

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Noel, like many on this forum, trump cannot deal with dissenting views. He doesn't understand the strength of soliciting opposing viewpoints and finding solutions that benefit the greatest number with a minimum of negative fallout.
Before we are done with trump he will have succeeded in driving out some of the best minds in Washington and replaced them with hacks.

Message edited by user at 11/30/2017 11:25:25 AM

3. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/30/2017 11:07:42 AM)
     Message ID #294482

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Lol. Confusion in Noel's mind is like wet on rain. No shock there.

What is happening is more ominous. The President is pulling his negotiating team and replacing them with a wartime crew. If he has a successful tax bill at his back - he is free to focus on taking action on NK. I hope fat Kim is paying attention - though I think he is too close to back off. An impending attack by the US is passing the 50-50 mark. Only the Chinese can stop a military action at this point.

The Chinese are winning the long term economic war. It is not in their interests to upset that by allowing a war. But NK seems to have gotten some big help lately... and I suspect Russia. Here's why...

The Russian GDP is a fraction of both the US and China. They are way behind in the economic war. But they have had plenty of time under the sleeping Obama to make serious advances in the only game they have left... the military. They can't just become belligerent without isolating themselves in the world... but they could - if we attacked NK and they stepped in to 'save' the little communist nation.

Our intelligence community has been a disgrace for the last few decades. It wouldn't be hard to slip some major military advances past them... especially as they have been utterly distracted by meaningless claims of political interference that Russia seem to play into to some extent. Diversion?

If the Chinese don't stop NK... we will soon find out.

4. Noel Meyer
     (11/30/2017 12:28:29 PM)
     Message ID #294486

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Robert-

"I hope fat Kim is paying attention - though I think he is too close to back off. An impending attack by the US is passing the 50-50 mark. Only the Chinese can stop a military action at this point."

So as Patricia, D Robb and others have pointed out, Trump's INSTABILITY and lack of reality has the nation "passing the 50-50 mark" to war which you mention ONLY the Chinese can stop.

So for the first time in a long while, America is on the brink of war, a war a foreign enemy has control to stop and we don't?

"Our intelligence community has been a disgrace for the last few decades. It wouldn't be hard to slip some major military advances past them"

Robert- in this new global economy, it is hard not to see major military advances, most notable has been in 5th generation jet fighter development and drone technology which Iran and China have profited from due to downed drones used in the Middle East.

Funny thing about satellites, they see everything, but as you mention it takes a brain to make sense of what they see. Air shows, under the guise of entertainment, reveal much about such advances. What is unexpected is that INTENT and NATIONAL/TRIBAL PRIDE are the intelligence 'unknowns' hidden behind the boasting and political rhetoric of crazies.

"If the Chinese don't stop NK"

We recently had a forum on LEADERSHIP so I'm guessing that this lack of American leadership is still one more example of Trump's mental challenges.

5. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/30/2017 12:48:43 PM)
     Message ID #294488

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I understand you see it as a Trump weakness. I see it as a Trump strength. But I don't care much about your personal take - or mine... I just think there are some interesting surprises that may be in store for us all.

This may come as a surprise to you Noel... but the greatest leader in the world isn't going to reach agreement with a belligerent that doesn't want one. (or a belligerent political party for that matter).

I will consider your suggestion (and Robb's) that Trump has mental challenges - because I am forced to admit that both of you have vast personal experience with that particular malady.

6. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (11/30/2017 1:47:45 PM)
     Message ID #294494

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Interesting as in war with NK, a crashed economy, a third world infrastructure coupled with exploding debt, widening of the wealth gap, poor uneducated unhealthy people as far as the eye can see and a uber-wealthy class that owes its allegiance only to themselves?

Define interesting?
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