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1. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 11:34:13 AM)
     Message ID #294549

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Robert,

To some extent at least I agree w/ you (for once). Yes, I too also agree that the lady's death is indeed hyper-tragic and shouldn't have happened in the first place.

That said, yes, I too think the jury got the verdict correct about First Degree Murder. A ricochet shot over an extended distance does not, repeat not, make a murder charge. It might make Manslaughter but it doesn't make Murder.

Now whether or not they got the rest of their verdict correct is a matter I can't comment on but I'll defer to their judgement until proven otherwise.

Where I probably differ w/ you is WRT whether or not Sanctuary Cities have any validity in this land. I don't believe they have a leg to stand on and should be hammered for such stances but that's just me. And how that plays into the facts of the case (SF is a sanctuary city, at least currently) is another story which I don't have enough facts to comment on.

2. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 2:26:55 PM)
     Message ID #294551

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I really don't know if it is legal to declare a sanctuary city or not. Certainly from the standpoint of States Rights via the Constitution... it is a State... not a Federal matter to decide.

But it is a Federal matter to decide how to appropriate Federal Funds... and it is certainly legal to withhold them if the proper protocols are met in the decision process.

Personally - it is one of the stupidest things I've heard of. But to each, his own.

3. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 12:04:28 PM)
     Message ID #294559

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At least as far as my understanding is concerned, I agree that you are correct about "designating a city as a "Sanctuary City"" is indeed a State matter, but ...

How that "Sanctuary City" status/designation plays WRT to Federal Law, and Immigration is a Federal Jurisdiction, is another matter entirely. I strongly suspect a State DOES NOT have the right to declare a City, or a city to declare itself, a "Sanctuary City" and have it mean a damn thing WRT that or any other Federal Jurisdiction. That ability was surrendered by each and every of the several States oh those many years ago when they agreed to become a State and join the union.

4. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 11:55:48 AM)
     Message ID #294563

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I would urge you to read the history of the Convention in 1789. It is both fascinating - and completely contradictory to your impression.

Let me say only this about it...

Most of the representatives were packing to go home after a failed convention. The reason was that the States REFUSED to surrender those very rights you point to.

They were seriously damaged when the North simply stole them by force in 1865... and again during the Wilson Administration, when the rich defeated the poor, and still again in 1987, when Corporations defeated Nations...

...but the battle is still enjoined and the jurisdiction has NEVER been surrendered. If it was - there would be no conservatives.

5. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 4:35:29 PM)
     Message ID #294553

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The bullet traveled 78 feet, and had skimmed off a concrete Jersey style barrier striking the young woman in the back.

Highly congested area, chances of hitting a person were pretty high.

If I picked up a loaded gun in Faneuil Hall in Boston, pulled the trigger, hit and killed another person, without intent, it's manslaughter.

All day long. 10 to 20.

SF is a sovereign Nation unto itself.

Message edited by user at 12/1/2017 4:37:40 PM

6. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 1:34:34 PM)
     Message ID #294554

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I only have public info - which is unreliable... but if the area were THAT congested... and he intended to hit people... why didn't any of the three bullets hit anyone else?

Message edited by user at 12/1/2017 1:39:53 PM

7. Robert Fahrbach CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 1:28:07 PM)
     Message ID #294555

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Isn't every State a sovereign nation under the constitution?

America is an agreement between states - not between people.

Message edited by user at 12/1/2017 1:36:32 PM

8. Scott Walker
     (12/1/2017 12:34:00 PM)
     Message ID #294556

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Can't wait till someone eliminates that shooter.

9. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 12:17:26 PM)
     Message ID #294560

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"SF is a sovereign Nation unto itself."

Not true. SF is an integral part/component of CA; and CA is an integral part/component of the USA; therefore SF is an integral part/component of the USA as well; and therefore subject to all the Federal Laws the rest of the several states and their respective constituencies are subject to.

SF may, or may not, be subject to various and sundry CA Laws but it has no standing WRT whether or not it's subject to Federal Law. It IS (subject to Federal Law) and that's that.

10. D James
     (12/1/2017 12:10:12 PM)
     Message ID #294565

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it was not murder. It was , unequivocally, voluntary manslaughter - the incident attains the four corners of the CA penal code. He is a multiple offender and even under California statute should be gone for decades. I understand the Feds May take this as a violation of the poor woman’s civil rights. The prosecutor overcharged and did a poor judge in presentation. A sad day in American justice. Build the Wall and enforce the law.

11. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 4:54:01 PM)
     Message ID #294571

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I'll certainly go for "enforce the law" but I don't think a Wall is necessary. Just a good skirmish line w/ talented sharpshooters (and a sufficient ration of ammo).

While I support ALL forms of LEGAL Immigration, I DO NOT support Illegal Immigration. Therefore WRT Illegals ... "Drop 'em in their tracks and Leave 'em where they lay (as a deterrent to those who would come after)."

The Dreamers are a special case. Something needs to be done to afford them better than they have now.

12. D James
     (12/1/2017 1:57:32 PM)
     Message ID #294572

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In the words of Walt Kowolski, “Get off of my lawn”!

Points well made and taken.
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