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1. D Robb
     (12/1/2017 8:52:15 PM)
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Scott, there have already been 3 indictments of trump administration figures. Kushner is next, soon to be followed by dim don, Jr. Impeachment of the bone spur guy before the 2018 elections? Possible, if he isn't committed before then.

2. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 11:58:05 PM)
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Sounds like a reasonable assessment of the situation given the known facts (to the common folk). Whether or not it actually comes to pass however is yet to be seen.

3. D Robb
     (12/1/2017 9:51:37 PM)
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Yes, you are correct, but trump is under tremendous stress, and I think he's going to snap, especially when Kushner and Jr are indicted.

4. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/2/2017 7:09:40 AM)
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Perhaps but I'm not gonna hold my breath. I'll sit back, twiddle me thumbs (sans ANY social media), and wait and see what develops.

5. Scott Walker
     (12/2/2017 2:05:54 AM)
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D Robb,
“A clarification on something one of Flynn’s confidants said, He said the President had asked Flynn to contact Russia during the campaign. The confidant is now clarifying that saying according to Flynn, candidate Trump asked him during the campaign to find ways to repair relations with Russia and other hot spots, and then after the election, the President asked him, told him to contact Russia on issues, including working together to fight ISIS.” Sounds ok no problem here!!
Media is trying to push fake news by not telling or understanding to full story.

6. Rick T CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 10:02:02 PM)
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Maybe, maybe not. Your point is moot. Flynn has agreed to cooperate with Mueller now. We shall see what we see and no ones opinion matters one wit.

7. D Robb
     (12/2/2017 7:44:29 AM)
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That's the NEW story after repeated denials that there were no contacts with the Russians. It was all fake news, except it isn't. It was all lies. trump's new reality show will be a remake of orange is the new black.

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8. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/1/2017 11:27:48 PM)
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Wait girl prison?

Why is it the Dems never get indicted?

Because they're smarter? That's why.

Step one, get your Attorney immunity. Step two, make sure your Attorney answers all the "important" questions. Three, try not to talk, but if you have to, just say you don't remember.

Oh, and it helps when it's a marshmallow interview, set up by your spouse who happens to be an ex-President in an undercover meeting with the AG. Risky, but even if caught by a rogue reporter, the rest of the MSM will provide cover.

Fantasy? No, but you can't make this stuff up.

And what did Trump do again?

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9. D Robb
     (12/2/2017 9:45:06 AM)
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Of course Flynn pleading guilty and cooperating with the Special Counsel is no big deal. That is why trump fired FBI Director Comey when Comey refused to end the investigation, and then trump bragged about obstructing the investigation to the Russians.
The fact that it was the president’s son-in-law, Kushner, who told Flynn to contact the Russians gives trump lots of space from the lies and the crimes. Right?
The fact that trump’s son, dim don, took the meeting with the Russians and then lied about the real purpose of the meeting, and trump wrote the lying memo on what the meeting was about. Well, maybe not so much space there.
The fact that the trump campaign repeatedly said nobody in the campaign met with the Russians, and we already know that at least eight did, doesn’t matter. After all, these investigations take years and this one has just gotten started and already there are two guilty pleas and three other indictments. Tams is right. No sense pushing it, there is plenty of fun ahead.

10. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/2/2017 8:56:21 AM)
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Uh wrong. Contact all the foreign heads of state.

All happened after the fact that the Clinton Campaign bought a nefarious dossier and leak it to the press before handing over to the FBI.

Didn't that lead to the FISA taps? And who unmasked Mr. Flynn? a private citizen having a conversation with a Russian who was a fixture in DC.

11. D Robb
     (12/2/2017 7:45:48 AM)
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What heads of state besides Putin are you referring to? The serial, self-confessed, sexual predator has alienated the heads of our two closest allies: PM May and PM Merkel.
Here are some sites that show how much the US under trump is hated:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35702584
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/06/47-not-very-positive-things-foreign-leaders-have-said-about-donald-trump
Unless you can read Russian you will have a very hard time finding any foreign country praising trump. Netanyahu likes him, but neither are really well liked in Israel.

12. D Robb
     (12/2/2017 9:01:31 AM)
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The White House is desperately trying to distance itself from Flynn. They cite the fact that he was the head of the DIA under President Obama while conveniently forgetting that President Obama fired Flynn, and then warned trump about him. They are forgetting that acting AG Yates warned trump that Flynn was compromised. Despite that, Flynn and trump were best buds.
Mueller believes that Flynn can connect the WH to the Russians because prosecutors offer favorable plea bargains only when the cooperating defendant can provide evidence that incriminates someone “up the ladder” — someone more senior than the defendant himself.
Flynn is prepared to testify that the communications that he lied about, concerning conversations with the Russian ambassador in December 2016, were discussed with multiple members of the transition team — including one “senior official” and one “very senior member.”
It is probably Mr. Kushner who is in greatest jeopardy now. He failed to disclose approximately 100 foreign contacts on his security clearance application; each omission is a potential false statement. Mr. Flynn may have information about conversations with Mr. Kushner that would demonstrate that the omissions on Mr. Kushner’s form were intentional, and therefore criminal.
The question is, can trump make money from this highly entertaining reality show after he is impeached?

13. Noel Meyer
     (12/2/2017 9:39:35 AM)
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Interesting =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfQ8nNkR_sM

14. D Robb
     (12/2/2017 9:23:49 AM)
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Yes, there are going to be some heavy shoes dropping soon.

15. Scott Walker
     (12/2/2017 6:05:08 PM)
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. Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz argued that former Trump National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s guilty plea is a “show of weakness” for Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

Mueller is a Comey side kick, and is sucking up Americas tax money and making a mockery of the law.

16. Noel Meyer
     (12/2/2017 12:29:38 PM)
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"Mueller is a Comey side kick, and is sucking up Americas tax money and making a mockery of the law."

Look at Trump's tax bill sucking up America's money to allow the rich and corporations to become even richer - where are the jobs? Jobs = DEMAND and the middle Class get pennies while the rich and corporations get billions.

As for "mockery of the law" look to Trump again - conflicts of interest, nepotism, scandals, bigoted racial tweets, Trump's presidency is a mockery of American law and customer.

17. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/2/2017 6:18:48 PM)
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You need to specifically elaborate on that one, what do you mean sucking up Americans money.

Don't understand what ou are talking about

And BTW ABC had to retract their Flynn story, it was made up

18. Noel Meyer
     (12/2/2017 4:36:23 PM)
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"what do you mean sucking up Americans money."

Remember the trigger? IF the economy does not grow magically as proposed, if the deficit is as economists projects, the tax cuts for the middle class will be reviewed and spending will be cut, but not the corporate tax cuts. So the corporate tax cuts are permanent, and military spending is off limits so aid to dependent children, unemployment safety nets all the social entitlements will be cut sucking up all that spending to keep the tax cuts for the rich.

19. Thomas C CEOExpressSelect Member
     (12/2/2017 6:40:31 PM)
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Agreed. But CBO projections are based upon a 1.9% annual growth rate. A rather robust number under Obomanomics given the high taxes, excessive mandates, terrible trade policies, and open borders for masses of low killed workers.

However that number is historically low, from WW2 up to Obama the number is 3.4%. At 2.6% this tax reform is revenue neutral.

I'm normally not a betting man without a golf club in my hand, but the bar is set very low and the odds are pretty good.

If you look at Simpson-Bowles the major differences are treating all capital gains as ordinary income, and the phase out of the ESI tax exclusion.

I would be hesitant to bet against America at this point in history. But here in this forum there are many rooting for failure.

20. D Robb
     (12/3/2017 7:31:38 AM)
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Perhaps, the problem is that Repub investigators make their charges and then look for something, anything, somewhere (they know there is some evidence somewhere to justify those charges. Maybe, it is better to follow the evidence and let it tell the story?
Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the former chair of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, used $150,000 of taxpayer money to settle a wrongful dismissal suit from a former staffer, according to a report Friday.

The Washington Post reported that the former aide claimed that he was fired from the Benghazi Panel because he refused to focus all his investigative work on former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
The settlement appeared on a list of settlements released by the Office of Compliance (OOC) on Friday. The list disclosed that the OOC oversaw the $150,000 settlement to a claim of veteran status discrimination and retaliation.

21. D Robb
     (12/3/2017 7:55:09 AM)
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“I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy,” trump told Comey in February, according to a contemporaneous memo written by Comey.

trump fired Comey in May, and has said publicly that he was considering the Russia investigation when he did so; that fueled allegations of obstruction of justice. A week after Comey’s firing, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein appointed Robert Mueller as special counsel, granting him a broad mandate to investigate crimes related to Russian interference, including potential obstruction.

“If it turns out that General Flynn has information implicating Mr. Trump in a crime, there’s now a much stronger inference that Mr. Trump was obstructing justice if he asked Comey to let the investigation of General Flynn go,” said Bruce Green, a law professor at Fordham University and a former associate special counsel in the Iran-Contra affair.
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