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Do you think food, shelter, and clothing are human rights?

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Maybe with some labor in trade



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1. Patricia Pomerleau CEOExpressSelect Member
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     (2/25/2020 2:35:09 PM)
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Former President Carter believes housing is a basic human right. Hammer in hand, he and his wife, Rosalynn, have worked tirelessly for Habitat for Humanity for nearly 40 years. Read what the Carters told Richard Florida writing in Citylab:

'A lot of people don't look at housing as a human right, but it is.'

That’s what former President Jimmy Carter told me when I spoke with him from the site of his latest Carter Work Project site in Edmonton, Canada. 'To have a decent place to live is a basic human right. And also to have a chance to live in peace and to have adequate health care and adequate education, so you can take advantage of your talents,' he added.

I asked the former President why he sees housing as a human right when so many today think of it as a commodity or investment to be bought, sold, and traded for profit. 'I don't see how a family can enjoy other human rights like freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to vote, if they live in a disreputable place of which they are ashamed and makes their family lower their standard of ethical and moral values,' he said from Edmonton.

Some would argue from the first words of our Declaration of Independence citing the right of the pursuit, but not the guarantee of happiness. Pursuit implies some effort on the part of the recipient. Establishment of fundamental rights may not.
  • What about food and clothing as basic human rights?

  • What about mobile phones and Internet access that are so critical to life in 2020?

  • Transportation? Education?
What is the appropriate "helping hand"?, and where do those who benefit need to start their pursuits?

Finally, who is responsible? If you say, 'The Government,' the government is us, and payment is with our tax dollars. What is a human right and what is fair to all?

City Lab: http://snips.ly/2K62E

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2. Noel Meyer
     (2/29/2020 8:58:28 PM)
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Do you think food, shelter, and clothing are human rights?

1. I remember something about "FORTY ACRES AND A MULE" - giving freed slaves "a place to live and a mule to work the land". At that time, clothing and food was something to make, hunt, obtain from the land.

2. Today - internet is a necessity. Paper job applications are a thing of the past. Pay your bills via the internet. Smart home and Smart home security comes 'over the internet.

3. TWO CHICKENS in ever pot - an ideal of success, of security was the landmark of American living AT ONE TIME. TODAY, try living in a world without a mobile phone, there are no longer PAY PHONES. AMBER ALERTS -- NATURAL DISASTER WARNINGS do not come via "snail mail".

4. AMERICA'S POOR do not create the world we live in, AMERICA'S ELITE create that world as well as the markets for internet service, smart phones, look at the "food stamps" change from the start of that program to "debit cards"

5. LOOK AT THE AMERICAN TAX SYSTEM, look at the tax benefits for depreciation and other "incentives" towards business and look to the tax deduction to incentivize home ownership by DEDUCTING INSURANCE on home mortgages - "THE GOVERNMENT" directs, motivates and protects what it wants to encourage Americans to do with their money

6. Look at the justification of "private, gated communities. The RICH feel ENTITLED to the exclusivity and security their money allows them, and yet to say that housing is not a basic right belies that belief.

7. HOUSING - having a place to live, underlies a credit history, is basic to rights such as voting, the CENSUS, taxation, instate education, availability of safety net services.

8. IF basic housing is not a human right, why then the effort to find the homeless homes, why then the effort to mandate a local address before allowing someone to vote?

9. Food, shelter, and clothing are human rights, if they were not, why was SOCIAL SECURITY invented?

10. For those who do not believe clothing and shelter are NOT basic human rights, do you then support NAKED HOMELESS people running around the country? Do you then NOT HAVE A PROBLEM with homeless people in your neighborhood? Do you then support PANDHANDLERS as a legitimate means for obtaining money for food, clothing and shelter?

3. Tams Bixby CEOExpressSelect Member
     (2/29/2020 11:42:50 PM)
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As with Freedom, NOTHING is really "Free".

Everything has to be paid for by way of some form or other so my answer is: "Maybe with some labor in trade".

4. Scott Walker
     (3/1/2020 6:08:13 AM)
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Do you think food, shelter, and clothing are human rights?

The rights we have are are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

So food, shelter, and clothing are “not human rights” but things available for those that perform some form of action, sometimes called work, that allows one to acquire those comforts.

5. Scott Walker
     (3/1/2020 6:19:33 AM)
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We can simultaneously love our children and betray their generation and generations unborn? If you embrace Bernie Sanders and the democrats agenda, you might believe think food, shelter, and clothing are human rights. But, how can you love your children yet help to create an environment that will harm them? How much do you love your children when you support a Marxist ideology that boasts free food, shelter, and clothing are human rights. Such a massive expansion of government which will smother the individual? Sanders policies would create an economic wrecking ball. Sanders and the democrats go on and on about hating certain corporations, but no company or corporation has the power of a centralized government. We don’t have to fear corporations, but we do have to fear a centralized tyranny. Our founding fathers believed that liberty wasn’t enough for freedom, its companion is virtue. The Sanders and democrat ideology is virtue less, which is why they come up with schemes to take from you. By proposing food, shelter, and clothing are human rights..they’re not.

6. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (3/1/2020 7:30:08 AM)
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So how does that square with the growing homeless population in the West Coast cities? People who worship a God that comes in a small baggie, and forgo basic creature comforts such as indoor plumbing?

People who get trapped in a cycle, and can't get out, these are fellow American Citizens, and we choose to not look "over there"

I've watched bits of all the Democratic debates, as much as I can tolerate, and the question has never come up

Somewhere in that $4.4 trillion dollar spend there must be financial help. But what does that help look like? A prison, or a 94 year old former President banging nails?

So the question is, what is the Government obligated to do? For the people, by the people, or are certain people excluded?

Migrants who cross the border illegally, are housed, feed, given medical and dental care, legal services, recreation, all for free. And most important they are given their dignity back until their status can be determined, It's a paradise. If they can obtain status, a green card it's like the golden ticket.

Friday I met with our banker. He came to this country at age 8, fleeing Vietnam. His family had nothing. Today he is a VP of Citizens Bank

What's really strange, the migrant populations tend not to become homeless.

But Why?

Is it ingrained into American society Big Brother will take care of me? Is this what the Great society looks like? Citizens more and more dependent upon Government?

Yes, drugs and alcohol disrupt lives, but there are plenty of addicts living in luxury on the 27th floor.

Are we a Nation of hard working innovators, or a Nation of slackers disguised as workers

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7. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (3/1/2020 7:32:16 AM)
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Thank you so much for changing the Trump Bash, the participants just go down the rabbit hole and take sides, that is not political discourse, let's see how long this can last

8. D Robb
     (3/1/2020 7:41:48 AM)
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It remains a mystery to me that conservatives can profess to be Christian and ignore the basic tenets of that religion. Do we really want children going without food, shelter and education? I don't.
Are we our brother's keeper? I believe we are.
It's a matter of caring for material things less and people more.
Do I believe that most people want jobs? I do. Do I believe that that is a more important goal for the nation than going to Mars or developing new nuclear weapons? I do.

9. T Cavanagh CEOExpressSelect Member
     (3/1/2020 8:00:24 AM)
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Ah, first one!

Identity politics at its worst, all Conservatives are uncaring, they are evil. Therefore I loath all of them

I could have bet the house on Drobbie!

10. D Robb
     (3/1/2020 8:19:08 AM)
     Message ID #358748

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Do you support the goal of providing jobs, shelter, education and health care for all, missing link? Yes or no?
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